[13:04] <Dracos> ###################### MEETING BEGINS
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[13:04] <Hb> .
[13:05] <Dracos> Hb is on for roll call 
[13:07] <Dracos> first, an operational note
[13:08] <Dracos> rabbitt has informed me that he won't
be able to fix
phpdoc/phpxref until after the 20th
[13:12] <Hb> Question to server people: Is there a way
or script to
generate the translation skeletons for core, all modules and
all themes
with one call?
[13:14] <Dracos> I doubt that's benn written
[13:16] <Dracos> on the agenda today is random's
Dataproperty
Validations scenario
[13:16] <Dracos> see http://trac.xaraya.com/2x/wiki/DataPropertyValidations
[13:19] <MrB> what are we discussing about it?
[13:19] <Dracos> randon asked for it to be on the
meeting agenda
[13:19] <random> I just asked to mention that it is
there
[13:20] <random> and express the hope that ppl will
have a look at it
and give some feedback perhaps
[13:21] <random> that's all really
[13:27] <MrB> next?
[13:28] <Dracos> that was the only agenda item
[13:28] <Dracos> the floor is open
[13:32] <matias> hmm.. kind a short meeting so far
[13:32] <Dracos> any questions about the "next
steps" article?
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[13:35] <matias> Dracos: please put link that people
know which article
you are talking on
[13:36] <Dracos> http://www.x
araya.com/index.php/news/800
[13:36] <matias> k
[13:39] <matias> it's talking mostly 1.5
[13:40] <matias> i'd like to have xarigami as 1.2
[13:40] <matias> so we can merge jojo's stuff asap
[13:40] <Dracos> that's up to her to commit
[13:40] <jo_ontheroad> i don't know if it warrants it
[13:41] <jo_ontheroad> buyt i can commit hat evrer is
wanted
[13:41] <Dracos> I would prefer it gets rolled into
1.5
[13:41] <jo_ontheroad> sorry on a bus atm slow typing
[13:41] <matias> on a bus?
[13:42] <jo_ontheroad> yes ..
[13:42] <jo_ontheroad> long distance
[13:42] <jo_ontheroad> desert...
[13:42] <jo_ontheroad> going hiking
[13:44] <jo_ontheroad> i might hav to go soon
conserving battry till
next charge up stop bout 600km
[13:44] <jo_ontheroad> will stay as long as i can
[13:46] <matias> will 1.5 be more like module release
or will there be
major core changes too?
[13:46] <Dracos> I'd like to separate core and module
releases starting
with 1.5
[13:48] <Dracos> core changes are on the table,
probably not major ones, tho
[13:50] <Dracos> I'm most interested in fixing
longstanding bugs
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[13:54] <Dracos> any questions about 1.5?
[13:57] <MrB> Dracos: many, one of which i posted on
committer list as
reply to your msg
[13:57] * Dracos hasn't been able to follow the list this
week
[13:59] <Dracos> what makes you think API achanges in
1.5 are being
lightly considered?
[14:00] <MrB> well, for starters because i havent seen
any discussion on
it at all
[14:01] <Dracos> such as?
[14:02] <MrB> such as discussing *if* we want API
changes in 1.5
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[14:04] <Dracos> I'm most open to fixing flaws and
filling gaps in the api
[14:09] <Dracos> I see any point release as an
opportunity for api
improvements
[14:10] <MrB> perhaps its premature, lets discuss the
actual changes
when they arrive
[14:11] <Dracos> my thoughts exactly
[14:11] <Dracos> I just added https support to the
wishlist
[14:12] <MrB> who will actually work on all these
flaws, gaps and wishes?
[14:13] <Dracos> hopefully all of us
[14:13] <MrB> that is not the case, you know that
[14:13] <Dracos> sadly, yes
[14:15] <jo_ontheroad> going out of reception soon
[14:21] <Hb> How is going to decide which parts of the
code (which
functionalities) will be dropped? My best example for this
bloat are the
different submenus for the phpinfo output in the base module
besides the
"All" option.
[14:22] <Dracos> I guess some people find the phpinfo
in base
convenient.. I don't
[14:22] <Dracos> any more examples?
[14:26] <Hb> yes, the info is necessary. But why to
split it up in five
parts AND give one full output too? While we discuss about a
big
learning curve her. Perhaps this is not the right place to
discuss such
minor things.
[14:28] <jo_ontheroad> it was a useability issue afair
- the phpinfo
tabbed interface
[14:28] <Dracos> how was that usability?
[14:28] <jo_ontheroad> the originl screen was left
prolly for w/e rason
[14:29] <jo_ontheroad> prolly canbe removved
[14:29] <jo_ontheroad> but focus hs been elsewwhere
[14:29] <jo_ontheroad> there are heaps of ui issu8es
to be fixed inxar
[14:30] <jo_ontheroad> that's just one
[14:30] <Dracos> put them on the wishlist
[14:30] <jo_ontheroad> well generally there is heaps
[14:31] <jo_ontheroad> in code too - lots to clean
[14:31] <jo_ontheroad> sorry got to go
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[14:36] <Dracos> anything else?
[14:38] <MrB> can we somehow get a roll call on who
will work on what ?
[14:38] <MrB> either thru list or here or poll or
something else
[14:38] <random> +1
[14:39] <MrB> i feel we're planning in the blind, esp.
wrt 1.5
[14:39] <Dracos> I'll post on devel list
[14:40] <MrB> cool
[14:45] <Dracos> anything else?
[14:46] <MrB> not from me
[14:47] <Dracos> random, will the next 2x article go
up today?
[14:52] <Dracos> I see it
[14:52] <random> tomorrow pls
[14:52] <Dracos> k
[14:52] <Dracos> it needs a better title
[14:52] <random> want to make some editorial changes
[14:53] <random> go ahead
[14:54] <Dracos> k
[14:55] <Dracos> any last items?
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[14:58] <Dracos> I guess not
[14:58] <Dracos> meeting adjourned
[14:58] <Dracos> ###################### MEETING ENDS
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