How to dual boot with MacOs X and yellowdog ppc

Hi, I am new to MacOs X and I want to dual boot with
yellowdog ppc .
I want to install yellowdog on a usb harddrive. How do I get
the
laptop to see usb drive when I boot up the laptop which is
an IBook
G4.  I have worked with Windows and Linux together now I
want to join
the Mac experience. Can anyone please help?

Miklos
_______________________________________________
yellowdog-newbie mailing list
yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie

Miklos,
I have experimented with many Linux distros, including
Yellow Dog, in  
a dual boot environment on my G4 866 MGHz TiPowerbook and
then again  
on a G5 iMac. I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu 6.10
and  
FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac.
YellowDog is a great distro for your iBook but you won't be
able to  
get it to boot off of a usb drive since Apple did not
provide support  
for that method in Open Firmware. It is possible to keep the
boot  
environment (yaboot) in a small partition on your iBooks
hard drive  
and run off the usb drive with the rest of the linux
environment. I  
believe you can search the Ubuntu forums for guidance on the
 
specifics. Or maybe the gurus of this list such as Derrick
Centeno  
can help you. Otherwise I would suggest a firewire drive for
the most  
ease of use on installation.
Good luck!
Steve Didier

On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:23 PM, james van dooren wrote:

> Hi, I am new to MacOs X and I want to dual boot with
yellowdog ppc .
> I want to install yellowdog on a usb harddrive. How do
I get the
> laptop to see usb drive when I boot up the laptop which
is an IBook
> G4.  I have worked with Windows and Linux together now
I want to join
> the Mac experience. Can anyone please help?
>
> Miklos
> _______________________________________________
> yellowdog-newbie mailing list
> yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie

_______________________________________________
yellowdog-newbie mailing list
yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie

Miklos,
I have experimented with many Linux distros, including
Yellow Dog, in  
a dual boot environment on my G4 866 MGHz TiPowerbook and
then again  
on a G5 iMac. I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu 6.10
and  
FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac.
YellowDog is a great distro for your iBook but you won't be
able to  
get it to boot off of a usb drive since Apple did not
provide support  
for that method in Open Firmware. It is possible to keep the
boot  
environment (yaboot) in a small partition on your iBooks
hard drive  
and run off the usb drive with the rest of the linux
environment. I  
believe you can search the Ubuntu forums for guidance on the
 
specifics. Or maybe the gurus of this list such as Derrick
Centeno  
can help you. Otherwise I would suggest a firewire drive for
the most  
ease of use on installation.
Good luck!
Steve Didier

On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:23 PM, james van dooren wrote:

> Hi, I am new to MacOs X and I want to dual boot with
yellowdog ppc .
> I want to install yellowdog on a usb harddrive. How do
I get the
> laptop to see usb drive when I boot up the laptop which
is an IBook
> G4.  I have worked with Windows and Linux together now
I want to join
> the Mac experience. Can anyone please help?
>
> Miklos
> _______________________________________________
> yellowdog-newbie mailing list
> yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie

_______________________________________________
yellowdog-newbie mailing list
yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie

steven,

i'm responding to your statement: 

I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu 6.10 and  
FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac.

what specific kind of emulation environments are you
referring to? and can you give direction on how others on
this list can implement them to do the same if they are
seeking an easy way to multiboot rather than simply dual
boot with ydl?

john

----------------------


Steven Didier wrote:

>Miklos,
>I have experimented with many Linux distros, including
Yellow Dog, in  
>a dual boot environment on my G4 866 MGHz TiPowerbook
and then again  
>on a G5 iMac. I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu
6.10 and  
>FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac.
>YellowDog is a great distro for your iBook but you won't
be able to  
>get it to boot off of a usb drive since Apple did not
provide support  
>for that method in Open Firmware. It is possible to keep
the boot  
>environment (yaboot) in a small partition on your iBooks
hard drive  
>and run off the usb drive with the rest of the linux
environment. I  
>believe you can search the Ubuntu forums for guidance on
the  
>specifics. Or maybe the gurus of this list such as
Derrick Centeno  
>can help you. Otherwise I would suggest a firewire drive
for the most  
>ease of use on installation.
>Good luck!
>Steve Didier
>
>On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:23 PM, james van dooren wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi, I am new to MacOs X and I want to dual boot with
yellowdog ppc .
>>I want to install yellowdog on a usb harddrive. How
do I get the
>>laptop to see usb drive when I boot up the laptop
which is an IBook
>>G4.  I have worked with Windows and Linux together
now I want to join
>>the Mac experience. Can anyone please help?
>>
>>Miklos
>>_______________________________________________
>>yellowdog-newbie mailing list
>>yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
>>http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>yellowdog-newbie mailing list
>yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
>http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie
>
>  
>
_______________________________________________
yellowdog-newbie mailing list
yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie

steven,

i'm responding to your statement: 

I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu 6.10 and  
FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac.

what specific kind of emulation environments are you
referring to? and can you give direction on how others on
this list can implement them to do the same if they are
seeking an easy way to multiboot rather than simply dual
boot with ydl?

john

----------------------


Steven Didier wrote:

>Miklos,
>I have experimented with many Linux distros, including
Yellow Dog, in  
>a dual boot environment on my G4 866 MGHz TiPowerbook
and then again  
>on a G5 iMac. I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu
6.10 and  
>FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac.
>YellowDog is a great distro for your iBook but you won't
be able to  
>get it to boot off of a usb drive since Apple did not
provide support  
>for that method in Open Firmware. It is possible to keep
the boot  
>environment (yaboot) in a small partition on your iBooks
hard drive  
>and run off the usb drive with the rest of the linux
environment. I  
>believe you can search the Ubuntu forums for guidance on
the  
>specifics. Or maybe the gurus of this list such as
Derrick Centeno  
>can help you. Otherwise I would suggest a firewire drive
for the most  
>ease of use on installation.
>Good luck!
>Steve Didier
>
>On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:23 PM, james van dooren wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi, I am new to MacOs X and I want to dual boot with
yellowdog ppc .
>>I want to install yellowdog on a usb harddrive. How
do I get the
>>laptop to see usb drive when I boot up the laptop
which is an IBook
>>G4.  I have worked with Windows and Linux together
now I want to join
>>the Mac experience. Can anyone please help?
>>
>>Miklos
>>_______________________________________________
>>yellowdog-newbie mailing list
>>yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
>>http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>yellowdog-newbie mailing list
>yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
>http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie
>
>  
>
_______________________________________________
yellowdog-newbie mailing list
yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie

John, Glad to.
  I use Parallels and VMware fusion (beta) each of these
have varying  
degrees emulated hardware acceleration. For example in
Parallels Suse  
10. runs flawlessly but less so under VMware while Fedora
Core 6 runs  
flawlessly under VMware but less so under Parallels.
Ubuntu/Kubuntu  
6.10 runs flawlessly on both. If you want to have fullscreen
rather  
than a window it is now possible to use the GUI display tool
without  
having to edit the Xorg config file manually. The one
downside to all  
of this is that if you have moved to the intel Mac Yellow
Dog is out  
of the question.
Steve
On Mar 11, 2007, at 7:11 PM, John wrote:

> steven,
>
> i'm responding to your statement:
>
> I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu 6.10 and
> FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac.
>
> what specific kind of emulation environments are you
referring to?  
> and can you give direction on how others on this list
can implement  
> them to do the same if they are seeking an easy way to
multiboot  
> rather than simply dual boot with ydl?
>
> john
>
> ----------------------
>
>
> Steven Didier wrote:
>
>> Miklos,
>> I have experimented with many Linux distros,
including Yellow Dog, in
>> a dual boot environment on my G4 866 MGHz
TiPowerbook and then again
>> on a G5 iMac. I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2,
Ubuntu 6.10 and
>> FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel
iMac.
>> YellowDog is a great distro for your iBook but you
won't be able to
>> get it to boot off of a usb drive since Apple did
not provide support
>> for that method in Open Firmware. It is possible to
keep the boot
>> environment (yaboot) in a small partition on your
iBooks hard drive
>> and run off the usb drive with the rest of the
linux environment. I
>> believe you can search the Ubuntu forums for
guidance on the
>> specifics. Or maybe the gurus of this list such as
Derrick Centeno
>> can help you. Otherwise I would suggest a firewire
drive for the most
>> ease of use on installation.
>> Good luck!
>> Steve Didier
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:23 PM, james van dooren
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi, I am new to MacOs X and I want to dual boot
with yellowdog ppc .
>>> I want to install yellowdog on a usb harddrive.
How do I get the
>>> laptop to see usb drive when I boot up the
laptop which is an IBook
>>> G4.  I have worked with Windows and Linux
together now I want to  
>>> join
>>> the Mac experience. Can anyone please help?
>>>
>>> Miklos
>>>
_______________________________________________
>>> yellowdog-newbie mailing list
>>> yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
>>> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listi
nfo/yellowdog- 
>>> newbie
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yellowdog-newbie mailing list
>> yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
>> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> yellowdog-newbie mailing list
> yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie

_______________________________________________
yellowdog-newbie mailing list
yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie

John, Glad to.
  I use Parallels and VMware fusion (beta) each of these
have varying  
degrees emulated hardware acceleration. For example in
Parallels Suse  
10. runs flawlessly but less so under VMware while Fedora
Core 6 runs  
flawlessly under VMware but less so under Parallels.
Ubuntu/Kubuntu  
6.10 runs flawlessly on both. If you want to have fullscreen
rather  
than a window it is now possible to use the GUI display tool
without  
having to edit the Xorg config file manually. The one
downside to all  
of this is that if you have moved to the intel Mac Yellow
Dog is out  
of the question.
Steve
On Mar 11, 2007, at 7:11 PM, John wrote:

> steven,
>
> i'm responding to your statement:
>
> I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu 6.10 and
> FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac.
>
> what specific kind of emulation environments are you
referring to?  
> and can you give direction on how others on this list
can implement  
> them to do the same if they are seeking an easy way to
multiboot  
> rather than simply dual boot with ydl?
>
> john
>
> ----------------------
>
>
> Steven Didier wrote:
>
>> Miklos,
>> I have experimented with many Linux distros,
including Yellow Dog, in
>> a dual boot environment on my G4 866 MGHz
TiPowerbook and then again
>> on a G5 iMac. I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2,
Ubuntu 6.10 and
>> FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel
iMac.
>> YellowDog is a great distro for your iBook but you
won't be able to
>> get it to boot off of a usb drive since Apple did
not provide support
>> for that method in Open Firmware. It is possible to
keep the boot
>> environment (yaboot) in a small partition on your
iBooks hard drive
>> and run off the usb drive with the rest of the
linux environment. I
>> believe you can search the Ubuntu forums for
guidance on the
>> specifics. Or maybe the gurus of this list such as
Derrick Centeno
>> can help you. Otherwise I would suggest a firewire
drive for the most
>> ease of use on installation.
>> Good luck!
>> Steve Didier
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:23 PM, james van dooren
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi, I am new to MacOs X and I want to dual boot
with yellowdog ppc .
>>> I want to install yellowdog on a usb harddrive.
How do I get the
>>> laptop to see usb drive when I boot up the
laptop which is an IBook
>>> G4.  I have worked with Windows and Linux
together now I want to  
>>> join
>>> the Mac experience. Can anyone please help?
>>>
>>> Miklos
>>>
_______________________________________________
>>> yellowdog-newbie mailing list
>>> yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
>>> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listi
nfo/yellowdog- 
>>> newbie
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> yellowdog-newbie mailing list
>> yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
>> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> yellowdog-newbie mailing list
> yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie

_______________________________________________
yellowdog-newbie mailing list
yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie

Greetings All:

I was wondering how to address some of how this discussion
went, so  
please forgive me if my response comes too late and no one
cares any  
more.

YDL is specifically designed for PowerPC systems.  The Cell
and other  
systems (in the future) based upon the Cell, are also
members of the  
PowerPC family.  This area of computational effort remains
vibrant  
and powerful, although due to a variety of corporate
decisions to  
which TSS must adapt with, along with everyone else, we are
all not  
in the same market as we were even two or three years ago. 
In my  
view as a user, there has to be a whole lot of review and
evaluation  
regarding our respective interests and efforts.  The Cell is
not  
merely another incarnation of G5/G4, etc.  It is really an
incredible  
leap forward in insight.

Many brilliant people are moving forward following either
the vision  
of Intel and associates or IBM and associates.  I believe it
is very  
much about what architecture is best for what purpose, but
few people  
can really engage fully at their best capacities matching
their  
skills at the same level as the most talented scientific and
 
engineers employed by these companies.  Open source support
for these  
very different designs is not yet, in my view, quite equally
balanced  
or even.  There remains a preponderance of open source
software  
available for Intel which for a variety of reasons cannot,
or are not  
allowed to, be recompiled on PowerPC systems.

There are always negotiations, potentials and possibilities
of this  
situation changing -- one can await news or attempt to
participate in  
the process whenever possible.  Open source as a concept, is
very  
much susceptible to whatever decisions are made at the
corporate  
level.  Open source is also very uniquely susceptible to
choices made  
by individuals.

If for whatever reason, it is necessary to use Intel systems
whereas  
previously one used YDL, one should remember that YDL is
part of the  
Red Hat family of Linux.  One could use Red Hat Linux on any
Intel  
system and feel quite at home however you will not have the
advances  
and processing power which is only uniquely available to
Cell and  
PowerPC systems.

As always it is a matter of what understanding one has and
the skills  
one actually possesses to utilize a certain technology or
body of  
technologies to it's maximum capacity.  Intel's approach
could be  
expressed as throwing more computer cores at a problem;
IBM's  
approach could be expressed as refining what is actually
done with  
data in analyzing problems demanding massive amounts of data
 
crunching ever more accurately.  Perhaps the previous
statement is an  
oversimplification, but I think it works.  There maybe a
better way  
of expressing the challenge we each face as users (and
perhaps even  
vendors), but let it be clear that the challenge itself is
very real  
-- as is addressing it successfully.  The gauntlet lies at
the feet  
of each one of us.

Best to all... Derick

On Mar 11, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Steven Didier wrote:

> John, Glad to.
>   I use Parallels and VMware fusion (beta) each of
these have varying
> degrees emulated hardware acceleration. For example in
Parallels Suse
> 10. runs flawlessly but less so under VMware while
Fedora Core 6 runs
> flawlessly under VMware but less so under Parallels.
Ubuntu/Kubuntu
> 6.10 runs flawlessly on both. If you want to have
fullscreen rather
> than a window it is now possible to use the GUI display
tool without
> having to edit the Xorg config file manually. The one
downside to all
> of this is that if you have moved to the intel Mac
Yellow Dog is out
> of the question.
> Steve
> On Mar 11, 2007, at 7:11 PM, John wrote:
>
>> steven,
>>
>> i'm responding to your statement:
>>
>> I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu 6.10 and
>> FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel
iMac.
>>
>> what specific kind of emulation environments are
you referring to?
>> and can you give direction on how others on this
list can implement
>> them to do the same if they are seeking an easy way
to multiboot
>> rather than simply dual boot with ydl?
>>
>> john
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>>
>> Steven Didier wrote:
>>
>>> Miklos,
>>> I have experimented with many Linux distros,
including Yellow  
>>> Dog, in
>>> a dual boot environment on my G4 866 MGHz
TiPowerbook and then again
>>> on a G5 iMac. I still use Linux/Unix (Suse
10.2, Ubuntu 6.10 and
>>> FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel
iMac.
>>> YellowDog is a great distro for your iBook but
you won't be able to
>>> get it to boot off of a usb drive since Apple
did not provide  
>>> support
>>> for that method in Open Firmware. It is
possible to keep the boot
>>> environment (yaboot) in a small partition on
your iBooks hard drive
>>> and run off the usb drive with the rest of the
linux environment. I
>>> believe you can search the Ubuntu forums for
guidance on the
>>> specifics. Or maybe the gurus of this list such
as Derrick Centeno
>>> can help you. Otherwise I would suggest a
firewire drive for the  
>>> most
>>> ease of use on installation.
>>> Good luck!
>>> Steve Didier
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:23 PM, james van dooren
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, I am new to MacOs X and I want to dual
boot with yellowdog  
>>>> ppc .
>>>> I want to install yellowdog on a usb
harddrive. How do I get the
>>>> laptop to see usb drive when I boot up the
laptop which is an IBook
>>>> G4.  I have worked with Windows and Linux
together now I want to
>>>> join
>>>> the Mac experience. Can anyone please
help?
>>>>
>>>> Miklos
_______________________________________________
yellowdog-newbie mailing list
yellowdog-newbielists.terrasoftsolutions.com
http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman
/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie