Scilab for linux ppc

Can anyone give me some idea where I might get the latest
version  
(4.0) of scilab for ppc linux? The main site doesn't have a
binary  
distribution and my attempt to compile it failed (after
about 1/2 hour).

Thanks.

Warren Nagourney
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Hi Warren:

Questions:
* Did you download the source of all the dependencies of
this program 
and compile them from within the version of YDL you are
using?
  Consider that this suggestion may not be necessary if
there are ppc 
versions of those dependencies, you can do a quick check of
that by 
using yum.
Note you can check for scilab's dependencies by exploring
scilab's 
mirrors and checking their readme docs.

 Search for scilab dependencies using yum:
# yum search "*libc.so.6*"
See what yum finds out... if it's available, install it with
yum.

* The above completed, attempt the recompilation of the
source for scilab.

Maybe, just maybe, all the above has already been done for
you.  Check 
using yum.  Same process as above.

#yum search "*scilab*"

If yum finds anything, then it'll report that it is
available, then do:

#yum install "*scilab*"

if it is found, then yum will install the requisite
dependencies for you.

Good Luck... Derick.

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Warren Nagourney wrote:
> Can anyone give me some idea where I might get the
latest version  
> (4.0) of scilab for ppc linux? The main site doesn't
have a binary  
> distribution and my attempt to compile it failed (after
about 1/2 hour).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Warren Nagourney
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Hi Derick,

I downloaded the sources from www.scilab.org and attempted
to compile  
them under OS X (using gcc 4). They claimed to be configured
for a  
general unix distribution, so it should have worked (I ran
configure  
first and it seemed to detect the system fine). I can try
the same  
thing on my linux box and see whether it would work (the
problem was  
an incompatibility between some Apple header and a scilab
header file).

Could it be obtained using yum? I thought scilab was a
little too  
arcane for the standard yum repositories.

Thanks.

-wn



On Dec 7, 2006, at 2:29 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:

> Hi Warren:
>
> Questions:
> * Did you download the source of all the dependencies
of this program
> and compile them from within the version of YDL you are
using?
>   Consider that this suggestion may not be necessary if
there are ppc
> versions of those dependencies, you can do a quick
check of that by
> using yum.
> Note you can check for scilab's dependencies by
exploring scilab's
> mirrors and checking their readme docs.
>
>  Search for scilab dependencies using yum:
> # yum search "*libc.so.6*"
> See what yum finds out... if it's available, install it
with yum.
>
> * The above completed, attempt the recompilation of the
source for  
> scilab.
>
> Maybe, just maybe, all the above has already been done
for you.  Check
> using yum.  Same process as above.
>
> #yum search "*scilab*"
>
> If yum finds anything, then it'll report that it is
available, then  
> do:
>
> #yum install "*scilab*"
>
> if it is found, then yum will install the requisite
dependencies  
> for you.
>
> Good Luck... Derick.
>
>
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---------- 
> --
>
> Warren Nagourney wrote:
>> Can anyone give me some idea where I might get the
latest version
>> (4.0) of scilab for ppc linux? The main site
doesn't have a binary
>> distribution and my attempt to compile it failed
(after about 1/2  
>> hour).
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Warren Nagourney
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On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:45:00 -0800
Warren Nagourney <warrenphys.washington.edu>
wrote:

> Hi Derick,
> 
> I downloaded the sources from www.scilab.org and
attempted to compile  
> them under OS X (using gcc 4). They claimed to be
configured for a  
> general unix distribution, so it should have worked (I
ran configure  
> first and it seemed to detect the system fine). I can
try the same  
> thing on my linux box and see whether it would work
(the problem was  
> an incompatibility between some Apple header and a
scilab header file).
> 
> Could it be obtained using yum? I thought scilab was a
little too  
> arcane for the standard yum repositories.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -wn
> 

Hi Warren:

I've pretty much abandoned OS X as a development platform. 
I'm not interested
in Intel.  OS X runs awfully slow on a PowerPC system and
gets in the way of
an otherwise robust architecture.  I'm not the fellow to
discuss details of
OS X or Darwin programming development. If that is what you
are interested in
you could participate with Apple's Developer program and
their developer's mail
list. The questions regarding OS X are discussed in detail
there.

I'm committed to the PowerPC platform, and have become
rather focused on Linux
and YDL in particular.

Regarding yum and using it to search for scilab; my own view
was that you
really never know until you try.  

If it's not found by yum you may want to try a Debian
variant known as Ubuntu
here:

http://packages.ubuntulin
ux.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=powerpc&file=pool%2Fmult
iverse%2Fs%2Fscilab%2Fscilab_2.7-13_powerpc.deb&md5sum=d
60c05f374539645187b5e6a042ec2bb&arch=powerpc&type=ma
in

The only difficulty is that you will have to be familiar
with unpacking Debian
packages.

I got the source from here:

http://www.scilab.org/download/index_download
.php?page=release.html

A possible reason sources can't or won't compile within YDL
are:

* dependencies may be processor (Intel) specific.
* library calls may be processor (Intel) specific.

Unfortunately, one won't know which is the case until one
attempts to compile
within the YDL environment one uses.  Read the output as the
program attempts
to  compile.  Anything missing will be listed with warning
statements etc.;
remember to read the documentation included with the source
for associated
programs which should be with the program but which were not
included with the
source.  This is all tedious stuff, but you've come this far
so why stop at
this point.

It may not hurt to ask TSS to include it as a package, in
it's mirrors in the
future. Or that scilab.org develop a package for YDL.  It
might be even better
to get the two entities to acknowledge each other and do us,
the users, a favor!

Best wishes... Derick.
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Thanks, Derick,

Actually, I feel the same as you about OS X and intel - I
have  
absolutely no interest in the latter and am becoming
increasingly  
annoyed at the former (a friend describes its performance as
having a  
certain "viscosity" - as though one is swimming
through thick honey...)

I tried yum using the "standard" repositories with
no luck. In order  
to compile scilab, one needs g77 which also seems to be
unavailable  
using yum. I am a little new to YDL (I was heavily into
linux about 6  
years ago, before OS X came on the scene. I couldn't stand
OS9) and  
need to become accustomed to the better sources of apps for
ppc  
linux. I would have thought that g77 was a standard app and
would be  
in the popular places.

Thanks again.

-wn



On Dec 7, 2006, at 9:56 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:45:00 -0800
> Warren Nagourney <warrenphys.washington.edu>
wrote:
>
>> Hi Derick,
>>
>> I downloaded the sources from www.scilab.org and
attempted to compile
>> them under OS X (using gcc 4). They claimed to be
configured for a
>> general unix distribution, so it should have worked
(I ran configure
>> first and it seemed to detect the system fine). I
can try the same
>> thing on my linux box and see whether it would work
(the problem was
>> an incompatibility between some Apple header and a
scilab header  
>> file).
>>
>> Could it be obtained using yum? I thought scilab
was a little too
>> arcane for the standard yum repositories.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -wn
>>
>
> Hi Warren:
>
> I've pretty much abandoned OS X as a development
platform.  I'm not  
> interested
> in Intel.  OS X runs awfully slow on a PowerPC system
and gets in  
> the way of
> an otherwise robust architecture.  I'm not the fellow
to discuss  
> details of
> OS X or Darwin programming development. If that is what
you are  
> interested in
> you could participate with Apple's Developer program
and their  
> developer's mail
> list. The questions regarding OS X are discussed in
detail there.
>
> I'm committed to the PowerPC platform, and have become
rather  
> focused on Linux
> and YDL in particular.
>
> Regarding yum and using it to search for scilab; my own
view was  
> that you
> really never know until you try.
>
> If it's not found by yum you may want to try a Debian
variant known  
> as Ubuntu
> here:
>
> 
http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/cgi-bin/download.pl? 
> arch=powerpc&file=pool%2Fmultiverse%2Fs%2Fscilab% 
>
2Fscilab_2.7-13_powerpc.deb&md5sum=d60c05f374539645187b5
e6a042ec2bb&ar 
> ch=powerpc&type=main
>
> The only difficulty is that you will have to be
familiar with  
> unpacking Debian
> packages.
>
> I got the source from here:
>
> http://www.scilab.org/download/index_download
.php?page=release.html
>
> A possible reason sources can't or won't compile within
YDL are:
>
> * dependencies may be processor (Intel) specific.
> * library calls may be processor (Intel) specific.
>
> Unfortunately, one won't know which is the case until
one attempts  
> to compile
> within the YDL environment one uses.  Read the output
as the  
> program attempts
> to  compile.  Anything missing will be listed with
warning  
> statements etc.;
> remember to read the documentation included with the
source for  
> associated
> programs which should be with the program but which
were not  
> included with the
> source.  This is all tedious stuff, but you've come
this far so why  
> stop at
> this point.
>
> It may not hurt to ask TSS to include it as a package,
in it's  
> mirrors in the
> future. Or that scilab.org develop a package for YDL. 
It might be  
> even better
> to get the two entities to acknowledge each other and
do us, the  
> users, a favor!
>
> Best wishes... Derick.
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:07:54 -0800 Warren Nagourney
<warrenphys.washington.edu> wrote:

> I tried yum using the "standard" repositories
with no luck. In order  
> to compile scilab, one needs g77 which also seems to be
unavailable  
> using yum. I am a little new to YDL (I was heavily into
linux about
> 6 years ago, before OS X came on the scene. I couldn't
stand OS9)
> and need to become accustomed to the better sources of
apps for ppc  
> linux. I would have thought that g77 was a standard app
and would be  
> in the popular places.

g77 is the standard GNU FORTRAN compiler, it is part of the
same GNU
compiler collection that provides gcc.  It is often a
separate package
though.  I have not looked at scilab, but I do know that the
standard
autotools will search for about twenty different FORTRAN
compilers when
it needs one to compile some FORTRAN.  Since TSS is heavily
into super
computing and scientific applications, it would surprise me
if you
could not find some suitable FORTRAN compiler somewhere in
the yum
repositories.

Disclaimer - I have no YDL or PPC hardware to run it on, but
I expect
to have them soon.  So the above is only guess work.
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I have the default repositories in yum (I added one - forgot
what it  
was and can't check now as I am in OS X) and yum didn't find
g77 (I  
typed "yum install g77"). I have been using g77
for years in OS X,  
though I switched to xlf when it became (temporarily, alas)
available  
on OS X (at a great price for edu users and with a 30% to
70%  
improvement in performance compared to g77). I am surprised
that  
configure didn't flag the absence of g77 and not create a
makefile.

-wn


On Dec 7, 2006, at 10:18 PM, David Seikel wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:07:54 -0800 Warren Nagourney
> <warrenphys.washington.edu> wrote:
>
>> I tried yum using the "standard"
repositories with no luck. In order
>> to compile scilab, one needs g77 which also seems
to be unavailable
>> using yum. I am a little new to YDL (I was heavily
into linux about
>> 6 years ago, before OS X came on the scene. I
couldn't stand OS9)
>> and need to become accustomed to the better sources
of apps for ppc
>> linux. I would have thought that g77 was a standard
app and would be
>> in the popular places.
>
> g77 is the standard GNU FORTRAN compiler, it is part of
the same GNU
> compiler collection that provides gcc.  It is often a
separate package
> though.  I have not looked at scilab, but I do know
that the standard
> autotools will search for about twenty different
FORTRAN compilers  
> when
> it needs one to compile some FORTRAN.  Since TSS is
heavily into super
> computing and scientific applications, it would
surprise me if you
> could not find some suitable FORTRAN compiler somewhere
in the yum
> repositories.
>
> Disclaimer - I have no YDL or PPC hardware to run it
on, but I expect
> to have them soon.  So the above is only guess work.
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On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:51:23 -0800
Warren Nagourney <warrenphys.washington.edu>
wrote:

> I have the default repositories in yum (I added one -
forgot what it  
> was and can't check now as I am in OS X) and yum didn't
find g77 (I  
> typed "yum install g77"). I have been using
g77 for years in OS X,  
> though I switched to xlf when it became (temporarily,
alas) available  
> on OS X (at a great price for edu users and with a 30%
to 70%  
> improvement in performance compared to g77). I am
surprised that  
> configure didn't flag the absence of g77 and not create
a makefile.
> 
> -wn

Hi Warren:

Once I say this, you will experience a Homer Simpson
"Duh" moment.

Within YDL try:

#yum search "*fortran*"

Told ya...

By the way, the current fortran programming projects have
moved onto gfortran;
which is available within YDL 5.  The older versions of
fortran and YDL do not
have the components (read libraries) to handle the current
standard.  From
previous discussions I suspect this fact will matter to you
a great deal.

Best wishes...


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