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Re: yellowdog-board.com is not functioning - Off topic discussion
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France		 2007-04-10 12:20:07 

  


  

    





Derick,



 



Thanks for your answer; I
can only agree on your view on this topic. 



 



My email was in a
reaction to several unsuccessful attempts to contact the board admin and in
depth FAQ / admin posts reading. To build up a community requires a bit of
support at the beginning of the process. Even if YDL is an established
distribution, the PS3 version is attracting a whole new set of people. My
feeling is that a renewed bootstrap process could be beneficial, at least to
ensure that people willing to join / contribute to the community are able to do
so. A few posts from Terra Soft people, just to say hi (and answer to key
questions) and show that there are people working on the product would be also
great. As far as I’m concerned the poor level of Terra Soft presence in
the PS3/general sections of the ML or board decided me not to subscribe to
YDL.net – just because I feared that even the paying subscription was not
associated with the appropriate level of resources.



 



Anyway, I’m now a
happy registered user of the forum and I was finally able to contribute the
result of my experience with PS3 kernel compilation.



 



Frank



 
















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2007 20:55

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Hi Frank:






 









Regarding the Board, I'm sure that you noticed this link:










 












 









perhaps this also:










 











 









If you did, it is possible that you missed the hint that the Site Admin
and the System running the Board are in Germany!  









 









While your sentiment is very well understood, at least by me, the
community of relationships which exists is just that -- a community.  The
community, as a concept where shared interests exist, ends where legalities, ownership

and related issues begin to intercede.  One of the regions where
distinctions occur is in the area of ownership and who is responsible for what,
and for how long.










 









It is not practical, or even good, for any business to buy or influence

everything for the sake of convenience.  The system in effect, although
rather messy, disruptive and chaotic does guarantee a degree of independence
throughout each relationship.  And individuals will comply accordingly
with their unique understanding and views regarding the kind of relationships
they believe themselves to be associated with. ; 









 









If the Board in Germany is not functioning properly the rest of us may
feel concerned but all that can practically be done is write to the same
persons -- the System Administrators -- that everyone else would write
to.  There might be a phone contact somewhere who knows someone to make
things happen a bit faster, but that is assuming quite a lot for two sites
spread across the planet run by completely different organizations.  One
commercial and the other I imagine a non-profit entity or community.










 






I have my own questions.  How is it that no confusion exists
between say Hell's Angel's bikers and Harley Davidson bikes?  Really, if
you think about it I've never heard of anyone writing to the Harley Davidson
company complaining the a local chapter of the Hell's Angels has a peculiar
difficulty.  Let me put the question differently.  Is Sony or
Nintendo supposed to get involved because a community of gamers somewhere couldn't
access the server run by a local club? Being truly "helpful" changes
as influence increases; usually resulting in "help" transitioning to
control.  This conundrum is exactly where Microsoft has found itself; it
is not an easy issue for commercial entities to avoid.






 









That kind of close association can become a bit too close, to my
thinking.  Better that distinctions remain and diverse responsibilities
remain what they are.  The "open source" community concept is
morphing in many directions and services simultaneously; however every
commercial and non-profit entity in it's various forms should attend to how
their unique participation contributes to the "community".  This
is not as simple as it appears.  It's perhaps like different partners of
different dance styles being invited to a party; how is it going to be all done
such that no one gets hurt and everyone enjoys the opportunity resulting of
coming together in this unique manner.









 









It's a work, or effort, in process or continuing evolvement.  Each
is free to refuse to participate; respecting this choice for whatever reason is
imperative.










 









Best wishes...









 









On Apr 6, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Frank Lyonnet wrote:

















Hello,



 



I
just wanted to inform you that it seems that the registration process at the
̶0;Community Forum̶0; http://www.yellowdog-board.com

is not functioning properly (the problem has already been reported on this ML).
Any message to the admin for manual account activation is returned as non
delivered:



 



      yellowdog-board.com">adminyellowdog-board.com le
06/04/2007 14:13



           ;
Could not deliver the message in the time limit specified.  Please retry
or contact your administrator.



           ;
<exch-ipanema.ipanema.local #4.4.7>



 



Not
to mention that a couple of weeks ago the forum site was completely down.



 



Even
though I understand this site is operated by a volunteer. I don’t believe
this is a good practice to leave it in that state as Yellow Dog is currently

attracting a bunch of new users through the PS3 release. A lot are directed to http://www.yellowdog-board.com quite
easily through Google and through Terra Soft site. I guess more support from
Terra Soft for this board could be highly beneficial for the image of YDL. This
probably applies to this mailing list as well. I understand that a paying
community/support exists: YDL.net, but I believe a Linux distribution cannot
only be based on paying support …



 



Frank





 










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     country flaguser name
United States		
     2007-04-15 14:21:08
  


  

    
Frank,

> Thanks for your answer; I can only agree on your view
on this topic.
>
> My email was in a reaction to several unsuccessful
attempts to contact the
> board admin and in depth FAQ / admin posts reading. To
build up a community
> requires a bit of support at the beginning of the
process. Even if YDL is
> an established distribution, the PS3 version is
attracting a whole new set
> of people. My feeling is that a renewed bootstrap
process could be
> beneficial, at least to ensure that people willing to
join / contribute to
> the community are able to do so. A few posts from Terra
Soft people, just
> to say hi (and answer to key questions) and show that
there are people
> working on the product would be also great. As far as
I'm concerned the
> poor level of Terra Soft presence in the PS3/general
sections of the ML or
> board decided me not to subscribe to YDL.net just
because I feared that
> even the paying subscription was not associated with
the appropriate level
> of resources.

I appreciate your input Frank. There is no excuse for our
team's failure to 
fully engage our own lists where the input of the community
members does not 
satisfy. I am working now to make this a daily activity for
my engineers, not 
just a weekly review.

The YDL Board is a great community forum. Our engagement in
the Board, to date 
has been limited due to a lack of resources and quite
honestly, I simply have 
not made it a priority as it began as a community effort and
is maintained as 
a community effort, outside of TSS.

However, to support this community effort, we recognize the
need to engage it 
more proactively. I am now working with my staff to rectify
this situation.

Concerning the YDL.net Install Forum, it is maintained by
our install support 
engineer Aaron who does respond each and every day, often
2-3 times daily.

Sincerely,
kai

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