VMware or Virtual box

Hi there.  Just did the install of Yellow Dog on PS3. 
Easiest Linux 
install ever.   One of the first things I tried to do was
install VMWARE 
(don't ask why), but I got a message saying that VMWare
won't run on 
power processor.  Does anyone have any successful experience
getting 
VMWare, VirtualBox or even NXClient running on the PS3?

One final issue - Youtube.  Flash won't work.....is there a
workaround?
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I belive, VMware will not ever be supported on PS3, mainly,
because
VMware is a full virtualization plataform, and needs that
the
virtualized achitecture must be a set or subset of the host
architecture. So, that way you can be able to
"simulate" a 486 over a
DualCore because each instruction can be maped to a new
instruction.

SO, if you think, like an a translation layer, you would
need a very
fast and smart VM to, not even map an instruction, but
translate it and
interpret it, very fast.

To achieve this, you need a full software virtualization
solution likes
Bochs, but it is slow as hell...

PS3 uses an Cell architecture, which is equal to none other
architecture
of hardware... totally different from the x86 architecture
you can find
at the consumer pc (including new macs)...




Derick Centeno wrote:
> Vmware is a proprietary product; you'll have to contact
them as to how
> close they abide with or cooperate with GPL based
systems such as YDL,
> or even if they are aware if their product will run
within YDL.
>  
> As regards a Flash work alike, there is Gnash, which
you can install via
> yum.  However I cannot address how Gnash works with
Youtube.
> 
>  
> On 5/1/08, *Phillip Doheny* <phillipdeircom.net
> <mailto:phillipdeircom.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi there.  Just did the install of Yellow Dog on
PS3.  Easiest Linux
>     install ever.   One of the first things I tried to
do was install VMWARE
>     (don't ask why), but I got a message saying that
VMWare won't run on
>     power processor.  Does anyone have any successful
experience getting
>     VMWare, VirtualBox or even NXClient running on the
PS3?
> 
>     One final issue - Youtube.  Flash won't work.....is
there a workaround?
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Andres has correctly detailed for you what I intentionally
omitted.    
There is no lack of interest in such products but the ones
which can  
be tested and perhaps utilized are those which abide by the
General  
Public License and are open source.  Even if a GPL project
was  
initially designed for Intel -- if the project has designed
their  
effort so that it can be recompiled and run on the PowerPC
family of  
CPUs (which include the Cell) there is no reason why you or
anyone  
else cannot discover whether it will run on a PS3 within
YDL.

I expect that those who are interested in such an effort
will  
actually pursue it.  Some years ago a similar discussion did
arise  
within these lists; I don't recall which GPL projects
pursued  
virtualization besides Bochs, but there were 5 or 6 projects
at the  
time and the only problem back then was the processors. 
There should  
technically be no problem in implementing this on the PS3,
but I  
can't discuss the point beyond theory as I neither have a
PS3 nor am  
I interested in running or emulating anything on Intel or
that family  
of processors.


On May 2, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Andres Tello Abrego wrote:

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> I belive, VMware will not ever be supported on PS3,
mainly, because
> VMware is a full virtualization plataform, and needs
that the
> virtualized achitecture must be a set or subset of the
host
> architecture. So, that way you can be able to
"simulate" a 486 over a
> DualCore because each instruction can be maped to a new
instruction.
>
> SO, if you think, like an a translation layer, you
would need a very
> fast and smart VM to, not even map an instruction, but
translate it  
> and
> interpret it, very fast.
>
> To achieve this, you need a full software
virtualization solution  
> likes
> Bochs, but it is slow as hell...
>
> PS3 uses an Cell architecture, which is equal to none
other  
> architecture
> of hardware... totally different from the x86
architecture you can  
> find
> at the consumer pc (including new macs)...
>
>
>
>
> Derick Centeno wrote:
>> Vmware is a proprietary product; you'll have to
contact them as to  
>> how
>> close they abide with or cooperate with GPL based
systems such as  
>> YDL,
>> or even if they are aware if their product will run
within YDL.
>>
>> As regards a Flash work alike, there is Gnash,
which you can  
>> install via
>> yum.  However I cannot address how Gnash works with
Youtube.
>>
>>
>> On 5/1/08, *Phillip Doheny* <phillipdeircom.net
>> <mailto:phillipdeircom.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi there.  Just did the install of Yellow Dog
on PS3.  Easiest  
>> Linux
>>     install ever.   One of the first things I tried
to do was  
>> install VMWARE
>>     (don't ask why), but I got a message saying
that VMWare won't  
>> run on
>>     power processor.  Does anyone have any
successful experience  
>> getting
>>     VMWare, VirtualBox or even NXClient running on
the PS3?
>>
>>     One final issue - Youtube.  Flash won't
work.....is there a  
>> workaround?
>>    
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