Re: Ferraro: US Black People Have It Easy

I know the economy is the next knee-jerker, but I was
actually still
on the freedom bit.  

Losing our liberties (no-knock, warrant-less searches,
domestic
spying, due process wankery) and our morals (torture is o.k.
if our
lawyers say so, a "strike first" military, trading
individual freedoms
for a perceived group safety, etc.).

Can't take a damn plane without an anal search, building a
"wall" to
keep immigrants out, etc..

"if you don't do X, the ter'rists 'il git ya",
etc..

That's the scary stuff to me.  Money is important and all,
but not
that important.  

I agree about China.  Heh.

It is sad to see folks who'd usually stay in the states for
a bit,
high-tail it to other countries, just cuz of the weak $.

Not that it isn't a pain in the ass just to get into the
country these
days.  The red tape probably makes us safer too, in someones
mind.

-den

--
"What we fear comes to pass more speedily than what we
hope."
---- Publilius Syrus - Moral Sayings (1st C B.C.)

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Robert Munn
<cfmunstergmail.com> wrote:
> What do you mean by losing it? Our economy? That's our
own damn fault, as we
>  have discussed many times. Social Security and
Medicare are going to
>  bankrupt us, and through our anti-immigrant policy we
are keeping the very
>  people who could help feed the system well into this
century out of the
>  system.
>
>  In the short run, the weak dollar is inevitable, and
perhaps even good,
>  because it will help us get back in the business of
selling our goods and
>  services to other countries. China in particular is
taking it on the chin
>  for oil and other commodities right now by not
re-evaluating their currency
>  against the dollar, but they feel they need to stay
more or less close to
>  the dollar to keep from losing their trade advantage
with the U.S. India has
>  let the rupee appreciate significantly against the
dollar, so they are not
>  getting walloped as much in the international
commodities markets as China,
>  but at the same time they are hurting their services
industry's exports. Of
>  course, that becomes less important as they develop a
domestic market for
>  services, too.
>
>  Ultimately, the currencies of the biggest economies in
the world need to
>  come into line with each other. The Europeans are
staving off the drop in
>  the euro with a variety of strategies, but in the end
they are just putting
>  off the inevitable pain of dealing with a stronger yen
and rupee, among
>  others.
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 1:10 PM, denstar  wrote:
>
>  >
>  > ....
>  > >  For all the bluster about talk about
freedom on this list, it seems
>  > only
>  > >  those of us who already have it are the
only ones who deserve it, eh?
>  >
>  > I'm more curious about those who don't care that
we're losing it over
>  > here.
>  >
>
>
>
> 

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"Domestic spying" is a red herring, the rules are
very clear and one party
has to be outside the U.S.

Warrantless searches needs judicial review, agreed.

Torture is illegal, the definition of torture is a problem.
President McCain
will make sure there is no gray area on torture.

The airline thing bugs me, especially this issue that you
can have your
computer seized and have everything copied if you go across
international
borders. What if I have confidential client data on my
system and it gets
out into the open because some TSA employee leaks it, or
worse sells it for
money? Not right, not right at all.

Our immigration policy is retarded. Bush tried for reform
but got shut down
by his own party.  President McCain will make immigration
reform a key
component of his first administration.

Strike first military? We were at war with Iraq already, for
almost 15
years. The Taliban was harboring Al Qaeda, who killed 3,000+
people and
destroyed a major portion of downtown Manhattan and a chunk
of the Pentagon.
Exactly who did we strike first?

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:33 PM, denstar  wrote:

> I know the economy is the next knee-jerker, but I was
actually still
> on the freedom bit.  
>
> Losing our liberties (no-knock, warrant-less searches,
domestic
> spying, due process wankery) and our morals (torture is
o.k. if our
> lawyers say so, a "strike first" military,
trading individual freedoms
> for a perceived group safety, etc.).
>
> Can't take a damn plane without an anal search,
building a "wall" to
> keep immigrants out, etc..


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