Re: Terrorism, the new Cold War.

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Michael Dinowitz
<mdinowithouseoffusion.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:59 PM, denstar
<valliantstergmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Michael
Dinowitz
>  > <mdinowithouseoffusion.com> wrote:
>  > ....
>  > >  Defending against it is easier.
>  >
>  > Defending?  If this is the cure, man... maybe the
disease ain't that bad.
>
>  The disease is being blown up. How bad do you want the
disease over the
>  cure?

I will take the bombs over the loss of liberty.  Hands down.
 No question.

I would rather my family die, than give up that which was
fought so hard for.

You know that tho.  I've said it before.

I'm not willing to make the trade.

You take your safety, I'll take liberty.  Or death

>  > I seriously doubt it's a "cultural"
thing, too.
>
>  Then your blind to the facts on the ground. This is
not a revolutionary

So the terrorists have a culture?  Dude, come on.

Spain.  Good example.  Been chill'n with people from there
for the
last 10 years.

We don't know how good we've got it.  And now we're fsck'n
it up, just
to make the powerful more-so.

Bah.

>  > You'd have to have your head buried in the sand
to say "they just
>  > don't like us, for no reason, besides we're so
cool".
>
>  No, they don't like EVERYONE that is not their
culture, not just us. There
>  is a reason and it has nothing to do with your
"America is evil and deserves
>  it".

There are nutters in every walk of life dude.  Get over it. 
We don't
need some crazy "fear X culture" type crap.

You've got the symptoms and the whatnots, confused, I
reckon.

And to once again bring it up (you don't need to take it out
on other
people tho, just me would be kosher), "they" is BS
man.

"They" is an American pissed at the government. 
"They" don't wear
clothes, or have a certain skin-tone, or even a certain
belief or
whatever, that makes "them" some unit that, say,
one can wage a war
on.  If "they" did, "they" wouldn't be
"them", now would they?

>  > Come on, man.  =]
>
>  Same back at you. Your desire to see it in terms of
"they're fighting the
>  evil empire of us" has blinded you to what
they're doing to everyone else
>  and why.

Bullshit.  I don't think we're an evil empire.

I do think we did some shit that makes it look pretty funny
to act all
innocent tho.

That republican debate really pissed me off.  Cheers for the
dude that
says "we're innocent babes in the woods".  Jeers
for the guy spouting
some other perspective.

Bah.

It's cool tho.  All part o' the great game.

--
"A good scare is worth more to a man than good
advice."
---- Edgar Watson Howe - Country Town Sayings (1911)

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On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:51 PM, denstar
<valliantstergmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Michael Dinowitz
> <mdinowithouseoffusion.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:59 PM, denstar
<valliantstergmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Michael
Dinowitz
> >  > <mdinowithouseoffusion.com>
wrote:
> >  > ....
> >  > >  Defending against it is easier.
> >  >
> >  > Defending?  If this is the cure, man...
maybe the disease ain't that
> bad.
> >
> >  The disease is being blown up. How bad do you
want the disease over the
> >  cure?
>
> I will take the bombs over the loss of liberty.  Hands
down.  No question.

And where do you live? It's sure not in NY. Anyone can say
they're willing
to die for liberty but are you really willing to or will you
give up some
public liberties in return for life. And what do you
consider too far an
invasion? A baggage check at an airport?

>
>
> I would rather my family die, than give up that which
was fought so hard
> for.
>
> You know that tho.  I've said it before.
>
> I'm not willing to make the trade.
>
> You take your safety, I'll take liberty.  Or death
>
> >  > I seriously doubt it's a
"cultural" thing, too.
> >
> >  Then your blind to the facts on the ground. This
is not a revolutionary
>
> So the terrorists have a culture?  Dude, come on.

Yep. They gloat about it.

>
> There are nutters in every walk of life dude.  Get over
it.  We don't
> need some crazy "fear X culture" type crap.

Gangs have a culture. In the 70's there were places that you
could not
travel in/to in NY because you knew you would be
jumped/robbed/raped/etc. We
beat that culture in most respects.

>
>
> You've got the symptoms and the whatnots, confused, I
reckon.
>
> And to once again bring it up (you don't need to take
it out on other
> people tho, just me would be kosher), "they"
is BS man.

Just you being a stickler for language to confuse the issue.
Context shows
us who they are.

>
>
> "They" is an American pissed at the
government.  "They" don't wear
> clothes, or have a certain skin-tone, or even a certain
belief or
> whatever, that makes "them" some unit that,
say, one can wage a war
> on.  If "they" did, "they" wouldn't
be "them", now would they?

In context, of my post (as is easy to read), they are
terrorists. They are
religious extremists willing and able to kill anyone in
their way. They do
have a certain belief and they are the ones trying more than
anything or
anyone to take away our rights.
Will you fight for your right to free speech? Will you die
to publish a
cartoon lampooning those religious extremists who use a
religious figure to
justify their actions? If the answer is no then your a
hypocrite. If the
answer is yes then you can easily see those who want to take
our liberties
away and they are not the government. At least not the
government of this
country.

>
>
> >  > Come on, man.  =]
> >
> >  Same back at you. Your desire to see it in terms
of "they're fighting
> the
> >  evil empire of us" has blinded you to what
they're doing to everyone
> else
> >  and why.
>
> Bullshit.  I don't think we're an evil empire.
>
> I do think we did some shit that makes it look pretty
funny to act all
> innocent tho.

Since when do we act all innocent?


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