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gmail.com> wrote:
> "Domestic spying" is a red herring, the rules
are very clear and one party
> has to be outside the U.S.
The rules are clear. That they have been broken is freaking
public record.
Things like the BASKETBALL program are also clear. (this
crap has been
going on since way back-- there's congressional records,
maybe I'll
dig them up).
But, come on! People were actually pissed at the media for
"revealing" this treasonable act. "yer
help'n the terrists by not
like'n be'n spied on by yer own government"
Are you saying that you believe that the only records that
the telcos
turned over were for people with overseas calls?
That's been proven to be false. It's also been proven that
many
people got this data for nothing more than asking for it.
The records
of who got what are "incomplete", and whatnot....
come on. That's
some haineous shit.
> Warrantless searches needs judicial review, agreed.
Yay!
> Torture is illegal, the definition of torture is a
problem. President McCain
> will make sure there is no gray area on torture.
See, I don't think that waterboarding, for instance, suffers
from definition.
The bags on the heads and naked bodies and whatnot-- it
wasn't all
those lowly soldiers just doing it for kicks, I don't
think.
It seems to me that it was encouraged from on high. Which
is horrifying.
Don't give me the "I'll know it when I see it"
idea about torture.
You just don't mess around with that.
War is hell. We are shining beacons of humanity, or
whatever. At
least we tried to be. Now we're like "lets ask the
lawyers". Bah!
Mere husks of our former selves.
> The airline thing bugs me, especially this issue that
you can have your
> computer seized and have everything copied if you go
across international
> borders. What if I have confidential client data on my
system and it gets
> out into the open because some TSA employee leaks it,
or worse sells it for
> money? Not right, not right at all.
There's all kinds of crazy with the TSA and whatnot. And
for like 0
return on safety.
You could still be a nutter sitting at the end of a runway
with a
fsck'n stinger.
How the fuck will taking away my possessions, invading my
privacy,
making me be bummed about flying now (I used to love it) and
whatnot
stop that?
> Our immigration policy is retarded. Bush tried for
reform but got shut down
> by his own party. President McCain will make
immigration reform a key
> component of his first administration.
It got really crazy after the attacks on that dark September
(no, not
the one with AOL ;).
The Spaniards I spoke of earlier have a dickens of a time
these days.
Horrible, red-tape-for-the-sake-of-red-tape type crap, that
would be
easy for a terrorist to thwart, but makes life X times
harder for
"normal" people.
> Strike first military? We were at war with Iraq
already, for almost 15
> years. The Taliban was harboring Al Qaeda, who killed
3,000+ people and
> destroyed a major portion of downtown Manhattan and a
chunk of the Pentagon.
> Exactly who did we strike first?
The preemptive strike stuff that Walker pushed.
Look, I know there's crap that happens, that isn't
"good"-- "24" type
stuff, I can live with (that's why there's presidential
pardons).
But ensconcing this crap in law, and making it a policy...
that's what
gets me riled up.
Seeing the politicians on TV, talking about pork projects,
and how
"that's how the system works" pisses me off.
Bribery, eh? That's how we do it now?
Doesn't the way we've become just sorta sadden and anger
you? Not so
much that crap happens, but that we're saying it's o.k..
Trying to
make it be part of what being American means (puke).
-den
--
That's the horrible part-- the complacency, if not outright
support.
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Seriously, who is Walker,
exactly? I don't remember anyone named Walker directing our
troops to invade
a country.
>
> Look, I know there's crap that happens, that isn't
"good"-- "24" type
> stuff, I can live with (that's why there's presidential
pardons).
>
> But ensconcing this crap in law, and making it a
policy... that's what
> gets me riled up.
>
Our system of government provides checks and balances to
deal with this sort
of thing, and the system is working quite well. The
Executive branch takes
charge in times of emergency, then when things cool down,
Congress and the
courts step in and push back against the Executive. That is
how our
government has worked since its founding.
Seeing the politicians on TV, talking about pork projects,
and how
> "that's how the system works" pisses me off.
>
> Bribery, eh? That's how we do it now?
>
Congressional earmarks are fine, IMHO, as long as there is
transparency in
government. Do I think it is a bad thing that Congress
allocated money to
build a bike path in San Diego? Hell no, I think it's great.
That bike path
wasn't free, I paid for it with my taxes. Otherwise the
money gets doled out
by bureaucrats, and I would much rather have my tax dollars
being directed
by an elected official who is answerable to the voters
rather than an
unelected bureaucrat who can't even be fired for
incompetence because of the
way federal civil service rules work.
> Doesn't the way we've become just sorta sadden and
anger you? Not so
> much that crap happens, but that we're saying it's
o.k.. Trying to
> make it be part of what being American means (puke).
>
>
We haven't "become" anything, this is how our
country works. As MD says,
people are willing to give up a little freedom (having their
bags searched
on the subway in NYC) in times of trouble in exchange for
protection.
Ultimately, things will change, they always do.
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