Re: Terrorism, the new Cold War.

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Michael Dinowitz
<mdinowithouseoffusion.com> wrote:
....
>  > I will take the bombs over the loss of liberty. 
Hands down.  No question.
>
>  And where do you live? It's sure not in NY. Anyone can
say they're willing
>  to die for liberty but are you really willing to or
will you give up some
>  public liberties in return for life. And what do you
consider too far an
>  invasion? A baggage check at an airport?

I live in the #2 nuke spot, or something like that.  That's
if we get
into something "real" tho.

Doubt the 'rists care much bout tactical crap.

As for what I'm willing to give up-- not much.

I dislike that there are road-blocks to try to stop drunk
drivers.
I'm pissed that "they" are using them to fish for
other shit too.

<mumbles> asking me for my fucking papers... the
nerve.  trying to use
my family's safety as an excuse.  the nerve.<mumbles>
(that was regarding a prior post about getting stopped while
crossing
counties here in my home state)

>  > I would rather my family die, than give up that
which was fought so hard
>  > for.
>  >
>  > You know that tho.  I've said it before.
>  >
>  > I'm not willing to make the trade.
>  >
>  > You take your safety, I'll take liberty.  Or
death
>  >
>  > >  > I seriously doubt it's a
"cultural" thing, too.
>  > >
>  > >  Then your blind to the facts on the ground.
This is not a revolutionary
>  >
>  > So the terrorists have a culture?  Dude, come
on.
>
>  Yep. They gloat about it.

Ah.  If we're speaking about "your" kind of
terrorist, right?  Surely
the "other" kinds don't.

We're only fighting the religious kind or something?  My
point is that
"terrorist", the word, cannot have a culture,
because it ain't like
that.

But words are crazy, ain't they.  Guess so long as we all
know what
kind of terrorists you are talking about, from context,
we'll be cool.
 

(I seriously jumped into that other thread just based on the
single
post-- I see "terrorist" thrown around all
willy-nilly, you know,
didn't figure you were meaning a certain kind of terrorist)

>  > There are nutters in every walk of life dude. 
Get over it.  We don't
>  > need some crazy "fear X culture" type
crap.
>
>  Gangs have a culture. In the 70's there were places
that you could not
>  travel in/to in NY because you knew you would be
jumped/robbed/raped/etc. We
>  beat that culture in most respects.

News flash!  There's still places like that!  Maybe we
should focus on
us, before the rest of the world?

>  > You've got the symptoms and the whatnots,
confused, I reckon.
>  >
>  > And to once again bring it up (you don't need to
take it out on other
>  > people tho, just me would be kosher),
"they" is BS man.
>
>  Just you being a stickler for language to confuse the
issue. Context shows
>  us who they are.

There is something dangerous to that idea.  Not sure how to
convey
what I'm talking about tho.

>  > "They" is an American pissed at the
government.  "They" don't wear
>  > clothes, or have a certain skin-tone, or even a
certain belief or
>  > whatever, that makes "them" some unit
that, say, one can wage a war
>  > on.  If "they" did, "they"
wouldn't be "them", now would they?
>
>  In context, of my post (as is easy to read), they are
terrorists. They are
>  religious extremists willing and able to kill anyone
in their way. They do
>  have a certain belief and they are the ones trying
more than anything or
>  anyone to take away our rights.
>  Will you fight for your right to free speech? Will you
die to publish a
>  cartoon lampooning those religious extremists who use
a religious figure to
>  justify their actions? If the answer is no then your a
hypocrite. If the
>  answer is yes then you can easily see those who want
to take our liberties
>  away and they are not the government. At least not the
government of this
>  country.

Man, I'm a total hypocrite.  I try not to be, but hell's
bells, man.
Shit sneaks up on you.

I'm not so gung-ho about dying these days.  I /was/ going to
change
the world, and most likely die doing it (that's pretty much
how it
works, if you do it big, which is how I'd do it), but now
I'm like,
eh... the wonderful life is a wonderful life.  Maybe later
on.

Yes, yes it is the government of this country trying to take
away our liberties.

Doing more than trying, too.  Which is my problem with the
whole
hypothesis of this "war" for, theoretically,
freedom.

>  > I do think we did some shit that makes it look
pretty funny to act all
>  > innocent tho.
>
>  Since when do we act all innocent?

Um, that republican debate, where Guliani (sp) got cheers
and Paul got jeers.

You see it around a lot.

People who think we've been attacked simply because of how
cool we
are, with our stuff and whatnot.

That "the terrorists" want to get us simply
because it's their
religion, and that's the only factor.

Patent BS, of course, but it's rampant.

--
rampant!

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