On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Michael Dinowitz
<mdinowit houseoffusion.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 6:06 PM, denstar
<valliantstergmail.com> wrote:
....
> > How much would it take for you to think so?
Demands to see your papers?
>
> Been on an airplane recently?
Not if I can help it, these days. Which sucks donkey
balls.
At least commercial flights. And the wankery is creeping
into the
Private Citizen stuff too.
Sad. End of an era. Make your own airplane? Ha.
> > Or, let me guess, you don't mind having to wear
an picture ID to get
> > on the bus, if it means you're "safe".
>
> I do mind and that's been fought against for years. I
do need a picture ID
> in some buildings. Is that too far?
Depends on the building. :]
> > How is searching your bag going to prevent
someone from blowing up the
> > train? You really think it's that hard to come
up with ways to get
> > around whatever we put in place?
>
> Anything can be gotten around by smart people but most
of "them" are not and
> can be (and have been) caught by these simple
preventative measures.
I guess it's more about the romantic in me. Some dark,
no-dog-tag
type black ops deal takes care of shit, and the peoples just
go about
their merry way. No need for invasive,
probably-not-as-effective-as-you-think type deals.
I don't know. Some people will say "if it saves a
single life"...
Guess we all draw the line somewhere.
> > How far do you go before you draw the line?
>
> When they come into my home its too far. When they
strip search me its too
> far. When I need an ID to get into any public building
its too far. I'm not
> even happy showing an ID to get on a plain but I'm
willing to have my
> luggage checked.
I had to take off my shoes last time, and the lezbo
searching chicks
felt up my wife.
Guess we all draw the line somewhere.
> > Wow! You actually agree that the domestic spying
is not so good? I
> > had you pegged for: "it makes us safe"
and "if you're not doing
> > anything wrong"-- the safety is worth more
than the intrusion,
> > basically.
>
> Public vs. private. I'm willing to allow some checks
in a public place but
> not in a private one unless there is just cause. The
government has no cause
> to suspect me of anything so I don't expect a phone
tap on my phones. On the
> other hand, this list is public and if its being
monitored by the
> government, then they are welcome to the headache of
our conversations. 
Heh. I love the idea of spooks having to troll through this
crap too.
"they said terrorst like 100 times!" "one
dude knows about
project basketball!" oh noes, one more thing on The
List of Stuff to
Watch.
They don't need to tap your phones man, the data is just
handed over.
Don't you read the news?
> > Yes, it's swell that there are those groups. Not
so swell that there
> > wasn't an instant "WTF?!?! Turned over my
records to WHO? AND YOU
> > DON'T
> > HAVE A RECORD OF IT?!?!?" that was a bad
sign. 
>
> Huh?
* US Surveillance Court Rules FBI Mislead Court
The US Senate has released a previously secret decision by
the the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that found that the
FBI had
mislead the court in 75 cases where it had requested
permission to
monitor communications for national security purposes. The
court also
found that procedures used by the government to share the
information
for criminal cases violated the law. The DOJ had tried to
prevent the
release of the decision, which was issued in May 2002.
Washington Post
editorial. (Washington Post, 22 August 2002).
These:
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/03/fbi_confir
ms_co.html
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/03/fbi_broke_
law_u.html
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/05/fbi_
acknowledge.html
Funny:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/11/2136838.h
tm
> > You don't have to be a "good guy" to be
a good guy. (Probably close
> > to my idea of the US)
>
> Spawn is a product of the 80's and trying to apply the
80's to now is like
> applying the 60's to the 80's.
Damn man. You telling me I should start reading some more
modern comics?
Snob! Next
you'll be telling me that they're graphic novels, not
comics... :-P j/k
> > I just wish we looked like Cap more or something.
*shrug* yeah, silly, I
> > know.
>
> You mean dead? (unless he was a skrull...)
No one stays dead except Bucky, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben.
Then again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dead_comic_b
ook_characters
I used to love the Marvel books of the dead...
> > > > The ends do not justify the means.
Pretty simple.
> >
> > > How far are you willing to go when you know
for a fact that someone
> > wants
> > > you dead and has shown it by shooting
directly at you?
> >
> > You do remember that I said I've been shot,
right?
>
> No. Do you remember how many times I've been shot at?
>
> Missing is not an excuse when bullets are involved.
Bet I've been shot at more. And I was hit twice (same clip
tho).
--
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself -
nameless,
unreasoning, unjustified, terror which paralyzes needed
efforts to
convert retreat into advance."
---- FDR - First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1933
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