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Re: Right To Bear Arms
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United States
2008-03-19 05:37:31
But we're not supposed to be.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
The strongest 
reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a 
last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government"
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and
everywhere restrains evil 
interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's
good"
-- George Washington

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at
large is that they be 
properly armed."
-- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary 
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania,
1759.

"I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a
good thing, and 
as necessary in the political world as storms in the
physical."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, January 30,
1787

Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the
love of 
liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest.
-- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July
1775.

"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While
this gives 
[only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness,
enterprise, and 
independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and
others of that 
nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character
on the mind. 
Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your
walks."
-- Thomas Jefferson, writing to his teenaged nephew.

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is
force; like fire, 
a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a
moment should it 
be left to irresponsible action."
-- George Washington, in a speech of January 7, 1790

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the
people themselves ... 
and include all men capable of bearing arms."
-- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia"
in the 2nd Amendment

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty.
Suspect every one who 
approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve
it but 
downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are
inevitably 
ruined."
-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 5 1788

Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing
degradation, 
that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence?
Where is the 
difference between having our arms in our own possession and
under our 
own direction, and having them under the management of
Congress? If our 
defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose
hands can 
they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us,
as in our 
own hands?
-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788

"To disarm the people... was the best and most
effectual way to enslave 
them."
-- George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788

"The great object is, that every man be armed. [...]
Every one who is 
able may have a gun."
-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788

That the said Constitution shall never be construed to
authorize 
Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the
rights of 
conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states
who are 
peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms...
-- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent
Gazetteer", August 20, 1789

The danger (where there is any) from armed citizens, is only
to the 
*government*, not to *society*; and as long as they have
nothing to 
revenge in the government (which they cannot have while it
is in their 
own hands) there are many advantages in their being
accustomed to the 
use of arms, and no possible disadvantage.
-- Joel Barlow, "Advice to the Privileged Orders",
1792-93

[The disarming of citizens] has a double effect, it palsies
the hand and 
brutalizes the mind: a habitual disuse of physical forces
totally 
destroys the moral [force]; and men lose at once the power
of protecting 
themselves, and of discerning the cause of their
oppression.
-- Joel Barlow, "Advice to the Privileged Orders",
1792-93

"Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation
not only of my 
person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an
indisputable right 
of nature which I have never surrendered to the public by
the compact of 
society, and which perhaps, I could not surrender if I
would."
         --- John Adams, Boston Gazette, Sept. 5,
1763,reprinted in 3 
The Works of John Adams 438 (Charles F. Adams ed., 1851).

[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed
which 
Americans possess over the people of almost every other
nation...(where) 
the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
          ---James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.

To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at
individual 
discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial
orders of 
towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish
every 
constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty
can be enjoyed 
by no man; it is a dissolution of the government.
          ---John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of
the United 
States 475 (1787-1788)

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be
disarmed; as they 
are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in
America 
cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole
body of the 
people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any
band of regular 
troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United
States. A 
military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no
laws, but 
such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional;
for they will 
possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the
inclination, 
to resist the execution of a law which appears to them
unjust and 
oppressive.
          ---Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading
Principles of 
the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

Should I go on?

Gruss Gott wrote:
>> tBone wrote:
>>   If you have to go to France and to practice self
defense, you are in a
>>  pretty bad situation.
> 
> They're regulated, we're regulated.
> 
> But why all the gun worry?  What about our friend Mr.
Flamethrower???
> 
> http://youtube
.com/watch?v=fDrzMGdYWZc
> 
> 

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Re: Right To Bear Arms
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United States
2008-03-19 06:53:20
> tBone wrote:
>  "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of
arms. The strongest
>  reason for the people to retain the right to keep and
bear arms is, as a
>  last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government"
>  -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
>

In principle we're in full agreement I just don't think we
need any
more rulings on the matter.

Further I think that under this president we've lost a hell
of a lot
more civil liberties that we should prioritize higher.

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