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Re: Obama's speech today
country flaguser name
United States
2008-03-19 07:21:51
I'm with you Todd.

I think we'll just have to get used to the fact that there
will be a lot of
Sam's out there, and the rest of us will just have to move
this country
forward without them.

Obama talks about bringing in everyone.....but the very
people he is talking
about...the Sam's....refuse to believe in a united America.

To hell with them. I have no problem moving forward without
them, frankly.
Let them be miserable.....I, for one, am tired of
apologizing for being
inspired.

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Todd <cftoddgmail.com> wrote:

> Just give up arguing with Sam.
>
> What Obama is saying is "Racism exists.  It's
unfortunate, but it does.
> Here are some examples.  This is seriously dividing
this country.  We need
> to understand the underlying causes of racism, some of
which are item1,
> item2, etc., and through understanding these causes,
come together, united
> as a nation and not a collection of races, with the
common goal of
> removing
> the environments in which racism breeds."
>
> Sam hears "You are all racist, but it's OK because
everyone is doing it."
>
> It's like someone attending that speech, waiting until
it is over and then
> yelling "Yeah, well, it takes one to know one, you
racist bastard!"
>
> He can't see past the issue far enough to even begin to
think of trying to
> find a solution.
>
>
> 

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Re: Obama's speech today
country flaguser name
United States
2008-03-19 07:52:52
I think that if there are enough people who do try, then it
is
possible that there may be enough. Maybe that is naive; I
agree with
you though that perhaps it is time to refuse to play the
politics of
labels any more.

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 6:21 AM, G Money <gm0n3y06gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm with you Todd.
>
> I think we'll just have to get used to the fact that
there will be a lot of
> Sam's out there, and the rest of us will just have to
move this country
> forward without them.
>
> Obama talks about bringing in everyone.....but the very
people he is talking
> about...the Sam's....refuse to believe in a united
America.
>
> To hell with them. I have no problem moving forward
without them, frankly.
> Let them be miserable.....I, for one, am tired of
apologizing for being
> inspired.
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Todd <cftoddgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Just give up arguing with Sam.
> >
> > What Obama is saying is "Racism exists.  It's
unfortunate, but it does.
> > Here are some examples.  This is seriously
dividing this country.  We need
> > to understand the underlying causes of racism,
some of which are item1,
> > item2, etc., and through understanding these
causes, come together, united
> > as a nation and not a collection of races, with
the common goal of
> > removing
> > the environments in which racism breeds."
> >
> > Sam hears "You are all racist, but it's OK
because everyone is doing it."
> >
> > It's like someone attending that speech, waiting
until it is over and then
> > yelling "Yeah, well, it takes one to know
one, you racist bastard!"
> >
> > He can't see past the issue far enough to even
begin to think of trying to
> > find a solution.
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Obama's speech today
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1969-12-31 18:00:00
> I'm with you Todd. I think we'll just have to get used
to the fact that there will be a lot of Sam's out there, and
the rest of us will just have to move this country forward
without them. Obama talks about bringing in everyone.....but
the very people he is talking about...the Sam's....refuse to
believe in a united America. To hell with them. I have no
problem moving forward without them, frankly. Let them be
miserable.....I, for one, am tired of apologizing for being
inspired.

I believe in a united America. You seem to believe bringing
your kids to hate America Sunday school will unite the
country. That's what I don't get.

So what's the plan to unite? Acknowledge racism so we can
move on? We all know it exists. Embrace it and teach it to
our children? I think not.

Hmm maybe this is the plan:

http://article.nationalreview.c
om/?q=NjkwNzRiMzQ1YzYzYzAxNDBjMTc2MmFiNDA3NjhjOTE=

Indeed, Obama says that pretty much any inconvenient
discussion of race is a distraction from what America really
needs: a huge expansion of the welfare state. Obama says our
racial problems can be healed with more money. By
“investing in our schools and our communities; by
enforcing our civil rights laws and ensuring fairness in our
criminal justice system; by providing this generation with
ladders of opportunity that were unavailable for previous
generations.” The path for blacks, Obama insists, requires
“binding our particular grievances — for better health
care, and better schools, and better jobs — to the larger
aspirations of all Americans — the white woman struggling
to break the glass ceiling, the white man who’s been laid
off, the immigrant trying to feed his family.” 

Meanwhile, the “real culprits” for our problems are:
“a corporate culture rife with inside dealing,
questionable accounting practices and short-term greed; a
Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests;
economic policies that favor the few over the many.”

Sigh. Here we go again. 

For all the wonderful rhetoric and tantalizing promise of
Obama and his speech, there’s not much that is actually
new here. This was largely a restatement of Jeremiah
Wright’s indictment of America, delivered in University of
Chicago parlance instead of South Side Chicago diatribe. 

The old baggage has been replaced with shinier suitcases,
but the contents are the same as ever. Black America’s
problems can be solved by spending more money on the same
old Great Society programs. Any talk about black America’s
problems that takes the eyes off that prize is a
“distraction.” And, yet again, white Americans can prove
their commitment to racial justice by going along with more
big government. My hope for something better proved too
audacious in the end.


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