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RE: Right To Bear Arms
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United States
2008-03-19 10:49:37
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said after the
first paragraph,
but I take exception with the first paragraph.

Think al Qaeda.

For the rest of it, to add some perspective that will both
reinforce what
you're saying and perhaps add some depth, I would recommend
the new HBO
series John Adams.  I know it's Hollywood, and it's
stylized, but it does
communicate the emotions of the times and the impetus for
independence.

Good on you, mate.  Excellent discussion.

Respectfully,

Adam Phillip Churvis 
President
Productivity Enhancement

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vivec [mailto:gel214thgmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:26 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms
> 
> Adam...
> 
> Take the number of people that may know 1/4 of what you
just said, and
> how to do it.
> now take the US Armed Forces. Battle
hardened...ready...fully
> equipped. It's completely a pipedream and nothing more
than
> ideological philosophy to think that the Citizens could
'take back'
> their country and go toe to toe with the Military.
There will be a few
> groups if any that would be in any position to do so.
> 
> When the Patriot Act was changed to allow capture of
American Citizens
> without habeas corpus, when FBI documents were released
noting that
> there actually were a few American Citizens who were
investigated,
> arrested under the Patriot Act in circumstances which
had nothing to
> do with Terrorism, I didn't see any Americans marching
on the White
> House with Rocket Launchers and M16s. They sat and
accepted it, in the
> name of Security.
> 
> In the name of whatever, the fact of the matter is that
it was
> accepted.
> 
> If you're waiting for some sudden shift overnight where
you realise
> you are disenfranchised: again, an ideological
dreamworld.
> 
> It doesn't happen that way.
> 
> It's a slow creep over a period of years.
> 
> It's one rationalised Acceptance after the next, for
all the right
> reasons.
> 
> By the time you sit up and take notice, you will
realise that the
> majority of the population would have been conditioned
to just go
> along with the status quo, so you'll have little if any
support. You
> will be Anti American, you will be Un Patriotic.
> 
> Then you know what will happen by that time? You'll be
labelled a
> terrorist. Under the latest Homeland Security laws.
> 
> And you'll argue fervently that you are actually a True
American.
> 
> But Fox News will call you a terrorist. And CNN will
call you a
> Terrorist. And MSNBC will call you a Terrorist.
> 
> And 90% of 'your people' will think you are a
Terrorist. Another 5%
> will be undecided, another 2% will 'secretly' agree
with you, and
> perhaps a final 3% will actively try to make 'the
truth' known...and
> then they'll be locked up as aiding terrorism by the
other 97%.
> 
> Sure this may be an exaggerated and fanciful expose on
the surface,
> but track the laws that have been passed over the last
8 years, and
> those that are being considered and on the table, and
you'll realise
> that these valuable freedoms which you claim to cherish
have already
> been greatly reduced.
> 
> Your very right to Privacy, or lack thereof, affects
whatever chances
> you might have of 'taking back your country' and of
being 'Tread on'.
> 
> The fact that right now everything you type to this
list can be read
> by an FBI Agent with no judicial oversight and
collected neatly in a
> nice big database reduces any chance of you protecting
your rights as
> a citizen of the US.
> 
> That's the reality, no ideology there.
> 
> That's why your right to Privacy is so important, it
goes hand in hand
> with this Second Amendment about Guns and Militias and
being able to
> overthrow a corrupt government.
> 
> Right to Privacy = Citizens Power.
> No Privacy = Government Ultimate Power.
> 
> Those rights, legislations and fundamental decisions
made at the
> levels of the Supreme Courts and the Whitehouse have
more impact on
> your ability to not be 'Tread on' than being able to
own a rocket
> launcher.
> 
> The spiderweb is right there infront you, but the
threads are so
> slender that maybe it's a bit difficult to see.
> 
> It doesn't happen Overnight. It never happens
overnight. Look into the
> History of Hitler's rise to power in Germany...it never
happens
> overnight. It is a slow and steady creep and little
things happen
> along the way that seem to be of no consequence, easily
justified and
> rationalised events.
> 
> The message is alway sweet and sensible and fair, given
the
> circumstance.
> 
> You cannot fight your Government militarily, Adam, no
matter how many
> weapons you collect, or how good a shot you are.
> 
> The fight for your Rights, for your Freedoms is going
on right now,
> right this very minute in the courts, in the
legislations that are
> being passed in your country.
> 
> And you know...you admitted it yourself a while back,
when you noted
> how deathly afraid you are of the police, of the legal
system, of
> saying or doing anything to put you on the Government's
radar. You.
> A Citizen.
> Afraid of your Government.
> Afraid to lose your Freedoms and your Rights.
> 
> On 19/03/2008, Adam Churvis <adamproductivityenhancement.com> wrote:
> > Nope, wrong.
> >
> >  You can take out a tank with a handful of decent
explosive, a sock,
> and some
> >  heavy grease.
> >
> >  You can take out a helicopter with one or more
thin metal rods shot
> out of
> >  homemade mortar tubes using some smokeless
propellant (modern
> gunpowder).
> >
> >  You can stop a hardened humvee with a wheel
snare.
> >
> >  You can take out a jet while it sits on the
tarmac.
> >
> >  You can pick-off an armored soldier with one
well-placed round.
> 
> 

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