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Re: Network Privacy
country flaguser name
United States
2008-02-28 10:25:31

Not to re-hash the old thread, but there's something I failed to
point out upon reviewing it...and more to add as well.

> Personally, I think it's a little _less_ "creepy" that someone has
> visibly "subscribed"; to the "Tim Schoon channel". At least you know
>; that Person X out there is reviewing your links. Isn't it
more "creepy"
> to think that hordes of _completely anonymous_ people are looking at
> what you've bookmarked? But you don't mind that.

There's a difference between publicly accessibly bookarks, and adding
one's self to a person's network without their explicit permission
which does nothing more than state there is an association between me
and this other person. My mutual network contact (my mother) is
someone I know and approve of. The other is someone I don't know who
has no reason to display me as a person they are associated with.
Even without me being a part of their network they can still view my
public bookmarks - that's not the problem.

> I imagine it's merely a convenience. He/she can go directly to "my
> network" instead of looking you up manually.
>
> No disrespect intended, but this sounds a bit like paranoia. If you
> don't like the social aspects of a social bookmarking site, then you
> shouldn't be using it.
>

Still, I am not associated with the person in question and I do not
want it displayed that there is.

And before you slap the word paranoia into this, remember
that "Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs
concerning a perceived threat." (from Wikipedia). There's no
perceived threat here. I do not feel threatened by this person, only
a given association that does not exist. It's part of the social
networking aspect of del.icio.us. And while we're at it, it's not an
issue of whether I like or not - clearly I do, if I've added my
mother. What I don't like is being forced to have someone on my
network that I don't want there. Sites like MySpace and Facebook
require you to approve them before they are added as a matter of
privacy. As Britta (I think, maybe someone else) said in the newer
thread, it's all about how people choose to use del.icio.us. I choose
to have it store my bookmarks in one place, accessible from anywhere,
and to be able to network with people I approve of. That means, no
strangers at all.

> Most people would consider having fans a good thing. Can you
control
> who is a fan of yours in real life?

Fans of mine in real life cannot add me to their network without my
approval, lest it be called harrassment (in one form or other). They
can be my fan without my having to know about it. Not the case here.

> Ignorance is bliss??? Seriously...you're revealing a ton about
yourself
> (through bookmarking habits) on a public site, you post half a dozen
> forms of contact in an email in a public forum, and you're worried
about
> being seen by fans? Putting your head in the sand won't change any
of
> that.

The information I've chosen to include in my signature and through
bookmarking habits is information I have CHOSEN to share. Again,
there is a difference between being seen by fans, and to have them
intrude where you would rather they not be unless you yourself have
given them permission. I did not grant the person in question
permission. They do not need to be a part of my network to view my
bookmarks.

Tim http://nbajammer.epop3.com
http://www.myspace.com/nbajammer/
ICQ # 5756489 Yahoo: nba_jammer77 AIM: nbajam77
MSN: nbajam77 Xfire: nbajammer

--- In ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com">ydn-deliciousyahoogroups.com, "Larson, Timothy E."
<telarson...> wrote:
&gt;

[snipped for above]

> Tim
> --
> Tim Larson AMT2 Unix Systems Administrator
> InterCall, a division of West Corporation
>
> Eschew obfuscation!

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Re: Network Privacy
country flaguser name
United States
2008-03-02 20:57:11

In real life there are many kinds of "fan&quot;, including a person who reads
your book (an invisible fan) and a person in the audience at your
presentation (a visible fan). I think of Delicious fans like those
audience members - the speaker or bookmarker didn't handpick them -
they're just listening. I believe most people looking at a network would
understand that the person's "fans" may not have any other association
with that person.

It sounds like you'd be interested in having semi-private bookmarks,
visible only to people you've added to your network. Delicious doesn't
have that feature but it's on the grand list of things we've been
thinking about for a while.

Britta
Del.icio.us community manager intern

--- In ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com">ydn-deliciousyahoogroups.com, "Tim&quot; <gamemaster...> wrote:
&gt;
> Not to re-hash the old thread, but there's something I failed to
> point out upon reviewing it...and more to add as well.
&gt;
> > Personally, I think it's a little _less_ "creepy" that someone has
> > visibly "subscribed"; to the "Tim Schoon channel&quot;. At least you know
>; > that Person X out there is reviewing your links. Isn't it
> more "creepy"
> > to think that hordes of _completely anonymous_ people are looking at
> > what you've bookmarked? But you don't mind that.
&gt;
> There's a difference between publicly accessibly bookarks, and adding
> one's self to a person's network without their explicit permission
> which does nothing more than state there is an association between me
> and this other person. My mutual network contact (my mother) is
> someone I know and approve of. The other is someone I don't know who
> has no reason to display me as a person they are associated with.
> Even without me being a part of their network they can still view my
> public bookmarks - that's not the problem.
>
> > I imagine it's merely a convenience. He/she can go directly to "my
> > network&quot; instead of looking you up manually.
> >
> > No disrespect intended, but this sounds a bit like paranoia. If you
> > don't like the social aspects of a social bookmarking site, then you
> > shouldn't be using it.
> >
>
> Still, I am not associated with the person in question and I do not
> want it displayed that there is.
>
> And before you slap the word paranoia into this, remember
> that "Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs
> concerning a perceived threat.&quot; (from Wikipedia). There's no
> perceived threat here. I do not feel threatened by this person, only
> a given association that does not exist. It's part of the social
> networking aspect of del.icio.us. And while we're at it, it's not an
> issue of whether I like or not - clearly I do, if I've added my
> mother. What I don't like is being forced to have someone on my
> network that I don't want there. Sites like MySpace and Facebook
> require you to approve them before they are added as a matter of
> privacy. As Britta (I think, maybe someone else) said in the newer
> thread, it's all about how people choose to use del.icio.us. I choose
> to have it store my bookmarks in one place, accessible from anywhere,
> and to be able to network with people I approve of. That means, no
> strangers at all.
>;
> > Most people would consider having fans a good thing. Can you
> control
> > who is a fan of yours in real life?
&gt;
> Fans of mine in real life cannot add me to their network without my
> approval, lest it be called harrassment (in one form or other). They
> can be my fan without my having to know about it. Not the case here.
&gt;
> > Ignorance is bliss??? Seriously...you're revealing a ton about
> yourself
> > (through bookmarking habits) on a public site, you post half a dozen
&gt; > forms of contact in an email in a public forum, and you're worried
> about
&gt; > being seen by fans? Putting your head in the sand won't change any
> of
> > that.
&gt;
> The information I've chosen to include in my signature and through
> bookmarking habits is information I have CHOSEN to share. Again,
> there is a difference between being seen by fans, and to have them
> intrude where you would rather they not be unless you yourself have
> given them permission. I did not grant the person in question
> permission. They do not need to be a part of my network to view my
> bookmarks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tim http://nbajammer.epop3.com
&gt; http://www.myspace.com/nbajammer/
> ICQ # 5756489 Yahoo: nba_jammer77 AIM: nbajam77
> MSN: nbajam77 Xfire: nbajammer
>
>
> --- In ydn-delicious%40yahoogroups.com">ydn-deliciousyahoogroups.com, "Larson, Timothy E."
> <telarson> wrote:
&gt; >
>;
> [snipped for above]
&gt;
> > Tim
> > --
> > Tim Larson AMT2 Unix Systems Administrator
> > InterCall, a division of West Corporation
> >
> > Eschew obfuscation!
>

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