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Backup Storage Media
	2006-05-19 12:06:51

`I been using a LTO-1 drive for a couple of years. Prior, my backup was running 5-6 hours with verify on a DDS-4 tape, when I moved to the LTO-1, the time dropped to 1-2 hours, plus we went from 20-40GB to a 100-200GB tape.` `Exploring the use of the new LTO-3. You may not be able to get a LTO-1. I think LTO 2 is the current with LOT-3 just being released.` Msg: #1 in digest From: "Sorin Srbu" <sorin.srbuorgfarm.uu.se> Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:32:38 +0200 Andy Wolstenholme <> wrote on Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:56 AM: We've used LTOs for several years now, with an HP storageworks 215e tapedrive. No problem so far. I expected them to wear out faster, but so far I haven't had to exchange any of them. The tapes are a bit on the expensive side and we had to buy like a dozen of them or so in order to keep a few generations and to be able to cycle them, though. I actually just finished rebuilding the backup server yesterday with win2k3, after having run run win2k on it for many years. The stoneage Tapeware app we used before, now seems to have given up with win2k3, but the builtin windows Backup applet works just fine. We used 1/2GB DLTs before the current 100/200GB LTOs, but we grew out of those. Data has a tendency to grow over time, and never decrease for some darn reason... 8-} Clinton A. Schwab CPAC, Inc. Network Administrator Phone (585) 382-2331 Fax (585) 382-2391 E-Mail cschwabcpac.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
Backup Storage Media
	2006-05-19 16:03:57

with the cost of drives falling all the time, i'm considering replacing all my tapes with hot-swappable hard drives. you'd get an immeidate speed increase + loads of storage. Is anyone doing this already?   On 19/05/06, cpac.com">CSchwabcpac.com <cpac.com">CSchwabcpac.com> wrote: `I been using a LTO-1 drive for a couple of years. Prior, my backup was running 5-6 hours with verify on a DDS-4 tape, when I moved to the LTO-1, the time dropped to 1-2 hours, plus we went from 20-40GB to a 100-200GB tape.` `Exploring the use of the new LTO-3. You may not be able to get a LTO-1. I think LTO 2 is the current with LOT-3 just being released.` Msg: #1 in digest From: "Sorin Srbu" <orgfarm.uu.se" target="_blank">sorin.srbuorgfarm.uu.se> Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:32:38 +0200 Andy Wolstenholme <> wrote on Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:56 AM: We've used LTOs for several years now, with an HP storageworks 215e tapedrive. No problem so far. I expected them to wear out faster, but so far I haven't had to exchange any of them. The tapes are a bit on the expensive side and we had to buy like a dozen of them or so in order to keep a few generations and to be able to cycle them, though. I actually just finished rebuilding the backup server yesterday with win2k3, after having run run win2k on it for many years. The stoneage Tapeware app we used before, now seems to have given up with win2k3, but the builtin windows Backup applet works just fine. We used 1/2GB DLTs before the current 100/200GB LTOs, but we grew out of those. Data has a tendency to grow over time, and never decrease for some darn reason... 8-} Clinton A. Schwab CPAC, Inc. Network Administrator Phone (585) 382-2331 Fax (585) 382-2391 E-Mail cpac.com" target="_blank">cschwabcpac.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- Nik Hunt nik-hunt.com">mailnik-hunt.com www.nik-hunt.com
Backup Storage Media
	2006-05-19 17:12:14

I did something like this with external USB drives, and had poor luck... but I guess that's what I get putting desktop-level drives under server-level loads... Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA David Clark Company Inc. ; From: windows2000-bouncefreelists.org [mailto:windows2000-bouncefreelists.org] On Behalf Of Nik Hunt Posted At: Friday, May 19, 2006 12:04 PM Posted To: Windows 2000 Conversation: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media with the cost of drives falling all the time, i'm considering replacing all my tapes with hot-swappable hard drives. you'd get an immeidate speed increase + loads of storage. Is anyone doing this already?   On 19/05/06, cpac.com">CSchwabcpac.com <cpac.com">CSchwabcpac.com> wrote: `I been using a LTO-1 drive for a couple of years. Prior, my backup was running 5-6 hours with verify on a DDS-4 tape, when I moved to the LTO-1, the time dropped to 1-2 hours, plus we went from 20-40GB to a 100-200GB tape.` `Exploring the use of the new LTO-3. You may not be able to get a LTO-1. I think LTO 2 is the current with LOT-3 just being released.` Msg: #1 in digest From: "Sorin Srbu" <orgfarm.uu.se" target=_blank>sorin.srbuorgfarm.uu.se> Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:32:38 +0200 Andy Wolstenholme <> wrote on Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:56 AM: We've used LTOs for several years now, with an HP storageworks 215e tapedrive. No problem so far. I expected them to wear out faster, but so far I haven't had to exchange any of them. The tapes are a bit on the expensive side and we had to buy like a dozen of them or so in order to keep a few generations and to be able to cycle them, though. I actually just finished rebuilding the backup server yesterday with win2k3, after having run run win2k on it for many years. The stoneage Tapeware app we used before, now seems to have given up with win2k3, but the builtin windows Backup applet works just fine. We used 1/2GB DLTs before the current 100/200GB LTOs, but we grew out of those. Data has a tendency to grow over time, and never decrease for some darn reason... 8-} Clinton A. Schwab CPAC, Inc. Network Administrator Phone (585) 382-2331 Fax (585) 382-2391 E-Mail cpac.com" target=_blank>cschwabcpac.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- Nik Hunt nik-hunt.com">mailnik-hunt.com www.nik-hunt.com
Backup Storage Media
	2006-05-19 17:20:51

Hot swap aftermarket drives?  Can you show us an example? I'm using a Maxtor networked external (alternating with DAT) - most times the backup program sees it - occasionally not! No rhyme or reason... Mark From: windows2000-bouncefreelists.org [mailto:windows2000-bouncefreelists.org] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Glenn Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 1:12 PM To: windows2000freelists.org Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media I did something like this with external USB drives, and had poor luck... but I guess that's what I get putting desktop-level drives under server-level loads... Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA David Clark Company Inc. ; From: windows2000-bouncefreelists.org [mailto:windows2000-bouncefreelists.org] On Behalf Of Nik Hunt Posted At: Friday, May 19, 2006 12:04 PM Posted To: Windows 2000 Conversation: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media with the cost of drives falling all the time, i'm considering replacing all my tapes with hot-swappable hard drives. you'd get an immeidate speed increase + loads of storage. Is anyone doing this already?   On 19/05/06, cpac.com">CSchwabcpac.com <cpac.com">CSchwabcpac.com> wrote: `I been using a LTO-1 drive for a couple of years. Prior, my backup was running 5-6 hours with verify on a DDS-4 tape, when I moved to the LTO-1, the time dropped to 1-2 hours, plus we went from 20-40GB to a 100-200GB tape.` `Exploring the use of the new LTO-3. You may not be able to get a LTO-1. I think LTO 2 is the current with LOT-3 just being released.` Msg: #1 in digest From: "Sorin Srbu" <orgfarm.uu.se" target=_blank>sorin.srbuorgfarm.uu.se> Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:32:38 +0200 Andy Wolstenholme <> wrote on Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:56 AM: We've used LTOs for several years now, with an HP storageworks 215e tapedrive. No problem so far. I expected them to wear out faster, but so far I haven't had to exchange any of them. The tapes are a bit on the expensive side and we had to buy like a dozen of them or so in order to keep a few generations and to be able to cycle them, though. I actually just finished rebuilding the backup server yesterday with win2k3, after having run run win2k on it for many years. The stoneage Tapeware app we used before, now seems to have given up with win2k3, but the builtin windows Backup applet works just fine. We used 1/2GB DLTs before the current 100/200GB LTOs, but we grew out of those. Data has a tendency to grow over time, and never decrease for some darn reason... 8-} Clinton A. Schwab CPAC, Inc. Network Administrator Phone (585) 382-2331 Fax (585) 382-2391 E-Mail cpac.com" target=_blank>cschwabcpac.com
Backup Storage Media
	2006-05-20 00:57:26
I know there's a debate which is better (faster) but would using a firewire interface work better than USB? On Fri, 19 May 2006 13:12:14 -0400, "Sullivan, Glenn" <GSullivanDavidClark.com> took time to say the following: SG> I did something like this with external USB drives, and had poor luck... but I guess that's what I get putting desktop-level drives under server-level loads... SG> SG> Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA SG> David Clark Company Inc. We're all living in America, America is wunderbar. *************************** New Site from The Kenzig Group! Windows Vista Links, list options and info are available at: http://www.VistaPop.com *************************** To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation mode or view archives use the below link. http://thethin.net /win2000list.cfm

Backup Storage Media
	2006-05-20 01:04:48
With network attached drives (or enclosures) being so cheap, I don't know why anyone would consider USB or firewire, PARTICULARLY if speed was an issue... Mark -----Original Message----- From: windows2000-bouncefreelists.org [mailto:windows2000-bouncefreelists.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Buchanan Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:57 PM To: windows2000freelists.org Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media I know there's a debate which is better (faster) but would using a firewire interface work better than USB? On Fri, 19 May 2006 13:12:14 -0400, "Sullivan, Glenn" <GSullivanDavidClark.com> took time to say the following: SG> I did something like this with external USB drives, and had poor luck... but I guess that's what I get putting desktop-level drives under server-level loads... SG> SG> Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA SG> David Clark Company Inc. *************************** New Site from The Kenzig Group! Windows Vista Links, list options and info are available at: http://www.VistaPop.com *************************** To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation mode or view archives use the below link. http://thethin.net /win2000list.cfm

Backup Storage Media
	2006-05-22 06:38:43
I so wish I'd asked for a budget to buy a eigth-tape lto autoloader instead of the single-tape drive we bought instead. But the cost for this single drive was so steep at the time, that my boss had no other way... As it is now, we shuffle some 4-5 tapes every week... It's amazing how the amount of data always increases, and never ever decreases. 8-( What about AIT? Isn't that worth loking into? ________________________________ From: windows2000-bouncefreelists.org [mailto:windows2000-bouncefreelists.org] On Behalf Of CSchwabcpac.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 2:07 PM To: windows2000freelists.org Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media I been using a LTO-1 drive for a couple of years. Prior, my backup was running 5-6 hours with verify on a DDS-4 tape, when I moved to the LTO-1, the time dropped to 1-2 hours, plus we went from 20-40GB to a 100-200GB tape. Exploring the use of the new LTO-3. You may not be able to get a LTO-1. I think LTO 2 is the current with LOT-3 just being released. Msg: #1 in digest From: "Sorin Srbu" <sorin.srbuorgfarm.uu.se> Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:32:38 +0200 Andy Wolstenholme <> wrote on Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:56 AM: We've used LTOs for several years now, with an HP storageworks 215e tapedrive. No problem so far. I expected them to wear out faster, but so far I haven't had to exchange any of them. The tapes are a bit on the expensive side and we had to buy like a dozen of them or so in order to keep a few generations and to be able to cycle them, though. I actually just finished rebuilding the backup server yesterday with win2k3, after having run run win2k on it for many years. The stoneage Tapeware app we used before, now seems to have given up with win2k3, but the builtin windows Backup applet works just fine. We used 1/2GB DLTs before the current 100/200GB LTOs, but we grew out of those. Data has a tendency to grow over time, and never decrease for some darn reason... 8-} Clinton A. Schwab CPAC, Inc. Network Administrator Phone (585) 382-2331 Fax (585) 382-2391 E-Mail cschwabcpac.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. *************************** New Site from The Kenzig Group! Windows Vista Links, list options and info are available at: http://www.VistaPop.com *************************** To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation mode or view archives use the below link. http://thethin.net /win2000list.cfm

Backup Storage Media
	2006-05-22 06:55:39
Charles R. Buchanan <> wrote on Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:57 AM: Supposedly firewire multitasks better than USB, ie firewire can handle multiple simultaneous commands (ie writes or reads) better than usb. Something to do with usb being a serial interface or something to that effect. Not sure though. > I know there's a debate which is better (faster) but would using a firewire > interface work better than USB? > > > On Fri, 19 May 2006 13:12:14 -0400, "Sullivan, Glenn" > <GSullivanDavidClark.com> took time to say the following: > >> I did something like this with external USB drives, and had poor luck... >> but I guess that's what I get putting desktop-level drives under >> server-level loads... >> >> Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA >> David Clark Company Inc. > > > We're all living in America, > America is wunderbar. > > *************************** > New Site from The Kenzig Group! > Windows Vista Links, list options > and info are available at: > http://www.VistaPop.com > ************************* > To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation > mode or view archives use the below link. > > http://thethin.net /win2000list.cfm ************************* New Site from The Kenzig Group! Windows Vista Links, list options and info are available at: http://www.VistaPop.com *************************** To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation mode or view archives use the below link. http://thethin.net /win2000list.cfm

Backup Storage Media
	2006-05-22 06:53:10

A department I serve with IT-support is a test-case. They previously had a outsorced tivoli storage backup solution over at the central IT-office at our university, but it proved way to expensive in the long run. I suggested they'd try a hd-only solution which they did. Works like this: The main fileserver which holds the homefolders, profiles and other shared docs automatically (scheduled script) copies once a week all the mentioned folders to a secondary fileserver (using robocopy /MIR), which has a 2x250GB ata-133 windows built-in software raid0 array. Both servers have volume shadow copy services enabled. The 2ry server can store two sets of backed up files and folders, essentially two weeks worth of data. Either which way it works like a charm. We've had to try out the "restore" function a couple of times, and it has always worked. It's been running for a year or so now. My main concern is that this is ata drives. The likelyhood that they fail is a lot bigger than with scsi-drives, but this would have meant an entirely other price tag. My plan is that the drives on either the 1ry or the 2ry server (both have software raid0), most probably won't fail simultaneously (dangerous assumption though...), so there will always be a fairly recent copy of all files available on either of the servers. This means that I'll be able to replace any drive on one server while still having the files availble on the other. Anyway, the cost for the two extra drives on the secondary server was negligible compared to what a new tape drive, tapes and backup software would have costed. This online backup solution is next to free comparatively. For now the 500GB raid0 array is more than enough. We're talking a small department with about a dozen or so users with small homefolders (<=1GB/user), but with a huge shared docs library (>200GB). From: windows2000-bouncefreelists.org [mailto:windows2000-bouncefreelists.org] On Behalf Of Sullivan, Glenn Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 7:12 PM To: windows2000freelists.org Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media I did something like this with external USB drives, and had poor luck... but I guess that's what I get putting desktop-level drives under server-level loads... Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA David Clark Company Inc. ; From: windows2000-bouncefreelists.org [mailto:windows2000-bouncefreelists.org] On Behalf Of Nik Hunt Posted At: Friday, May 19, 2006 12:04 PM Posted To: Windows 2000 Conversation: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media with the cost of drives falling all the time, i'm considering replacing all my tapes with hot-swappable hard drives. you'd get an immeidate speed increase + loads of storage. Is anyone doing this already?   On 19/05/06, cpac.com">CSchwabcpac.com <cpac.com">CSchwabcpac.com> wrote: `I been using a LTO-1 drive for a couple of years. Prior, my backup was running 5-6 hours with verify on a DDS-4 tape, when I moved to the LTO-1, the time dropped to 1-2 hours, plus we went from 20-40GB to a 100-200GB tape.` `Exploring the use of the new LTO-3. You may not be able to get a LTO-1. I think LTO 2 is the current with LOT-3 just being released.` Msg: #1 in digest From: "Sorin Srbu" <orgfarm.uu.se" target=_blank>sorin.srbuorgfarm.uu.se> Subject: [windows2000] Re: Backup Storage Media Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:32:38 +0200 Andy Wolstenholme <> wrote on Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:56 AM: We've used LTOs for several years now, with an HP storageworks 215e tapedrive. No problem so far. I expected them to wear out faster, but so far I haven't had to exchange any of them. The tapes are a bit on the expensive side and we had to buy like a dozen of them or so in order to keep a few generations and to be able to cycle them, though. I actually just finished rebuilding the backup server yesterday with win2k3, after having run run win2k on it for many years. The stoneage Tapeware app we used before, now seems to have given up with win2k3, but the builtin windows Backup applet works just fine. We used 1/2GB DLTs before the current 100/200GB LTOs, but we grew out of those. Data has a tendency to grow over time, and never decrease for some darn reason... 8-} Clinton A. Schwab CPAC, Inc. Network Administrator Phone (585) 382-2331 Fax (585) 382-2391 E-Mail cpac.com" target=_blank>cschwabcpac.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- Nik Hunt nik-hunt.com">mailnik-hunt.com www.nik-hunt.com

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